goonEd
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For most it seems the firearm portion takes the longest, dont be discouraged. Ive had numerous FBI/DOJ background checks due to my industry and my firearm portion took the longest at just over a month.
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CCW Los Angeles CCW (LASD ONLY)
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I don't think I'm discouraged, but I am annoyed. I'm a couple of days away from two years since mailing it. I've read several posts about it taking a month or two and even six months. It is what it is at this point. It's kind of ridiculous that we are now waiting two and a half years for a permit that is only good for two. I guess it's better than living in the UK or Canada?
NorCalBusa
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Wonder is an applicant has been jammed for submitting inaccurate information on their application, when it WAS accurate 2 years prior.
goonEd
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When I received my card in July of 2024 my wait was 25 months. Today issue times are trending up, not down and Im seeing more like 30 months.
I was at 6.5 months when I picked up my card from the time I interviewed.
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LASD CCW holder here. Sucks to see how long it's taking everyone these days. I got mine in 2022 after waiting 14 months. I thought that was absolutely insane. I just renewed a few months ago and can confirm that LASD has invested exactly zero extra dollars into the CCW unit, hence the 2+ year wait times now. It's still a barebones staff of 5-10 people working with wildly outdated manual technology. Pester Sherriff Luna and Mayor Bass to allocate more funds to improve the CCW unit if you want to see change.
jman300blk
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I had a question about the 3 references we had to put down on the application. Does LASD actually call them? If so, what kind of questions do they ask?
goonEd
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Bass has nothing to do with LASD's CCW process, shes the city of Los Angeles. If you want to pester someone besides Luna you would have to reach out to your LA County supervisor. With that being said, Luna is in the pockets of LA County supervisors, and the supervisors are against your average citizen having CCWs. Luna is beholden to the supervisors who put him in, therefore he is not going to push a program forward they do not want.
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Actually, Sheriff Luna is an elected official. If he was inclined to “allow” more average citizens to have the most efficient means (tools) possible in the protection of their own lives while outside their homes, he would have modernized the whole process shortly after having assumed office on 3 December, 2022. That has been over two years; look at how the process drags on at a snail’s pace by design.
Reaching out to any county supervisor is fruitless as you convey. While they may control his budget funding, he has the ability to address the CCW issue, but he drags his feet like any other elected liberal politician. IMO his department is slow-rolling the process, and issuing just enough permits as to keep them out of more hot water. Bottom line is that he has proven to be no different in this regard as his predecessor's. The voters can try to elect someone better, if they could find such a candidate. Good F’ing luck with that.
There might be other options. Back in 2008 nightly group bike rides got pretty popular. Rides became very easy to organize and promote on the site midnightridazz.com. Not everyone on every ride was a model citizen. At one point there was at least one LAPD officer that had a thing for writing tickets for not having an LAPD bicycle license. After riders getting ticketed over and over, they decided to organize a ride to the LAPD police station to request their licenses many at a time. The next thing LAPD knew was there was swarms of cyclists descending on their police station and requesting bicycle licenses all at the same time. My understanding is that it got so chaotic the LAPD made a moratorium on bicycle license tickets.
Here is a link to a post about one such ride. I believe it is from the beginning and later on there was more than 10 cyclists at a time requesting licenses.
la.streetsblog.org
I sometimes fantasize of a way we could all protest and convince LASD to speed up the process. Maybe we all go down to the LASD office and ask for our status in person? Maybe people protesting outside the LASD office would get some attention help the situation? I'm sure there are plenty of LASD deputies that are on desk duty and could easily be sent to the CCW unit to help out. What if each substation sent one person to temporarily get the backlog through?
Waiting 2 1/2 years for permission to protect my own life when there is a long wait after calling 911 is ridiculous.
Here is a link to a post about one such ride. I believe it is from the beginning and later on there was more than 10 cyclists at a time requesting licenses.
Ridazz Get Registered - Streetsblog Los Angeles
Cyclists Gather for a Group Ride in Front of Josef’s Flying Pigeon Bike Shop Bike licensing has become a hot issue in Los Angeles the past two weeks. For those of you that haven’t been following the story, some LAPD stations have decided to start enforcing an obscure law mandating that bicycles...
la.streetsblog.org
I sometimes fantasize of a way we could all protest and convince LASD to speed up the process. Maybe we all go down to the LASD office and ask for our status in person? Maybe people protesting outside the LASD office would get some attention help the situation? I'm sure there are plenty of LASD deputies that are on desk duty and could easily be sent to the CCW unit to help out. What if each substation sent one person to temporarily get the backlog through?
Waiting 2 1/2 years for permission to protect my own life when there is a long wait after calling 911 is ridiculous.
Malibu
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As I have said before, ANY “waiting for permission” is a loosing bet. The Eunuchs of SCOTUS screwed not only gun owners, but the entire citizenry of the entire country by allowing for the licensing of a right expressed in the constitution.
The solution to the disaster of LASD and CCW will come not from within, but likely from some lawsuit that truly threatens them into submission. That threat will need to be financial, or taking away their power to lord over the process.
argeeessii
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App status update: picked up CCW recently....807 days (in case you slept through math class, that's 2 years, 2 months and 15 days). I could have spent those 807 days stressing, complaining, and griping, living in a constant state of angst; but I chose to treat it as an exercise in patience. No, Luna's opinion on 2A isn't the issue. The post-Bruen crush of apps happened before he was even in the chair; and it's not the CCW Unit personnel slow-walking your apps. They've always been nothing but pleasant and helpful when I've spoken with them. I'm thinking you might want to start with any friends that were part of the Defund movement. Less deputies in the unit = less apps processed per week. If your app is in the pipeline, you'll get your license - barring any disqualifying factors, of course - just not as fast as you want it. Is 807 days ridiculous? (current wait time in OC is 51 days) Of course it is. But until they get the budget to add bodies to the CCW Unit, and eliminate built-in wait times after each benchmark (file > wait two months for your app to be entered into the system, LiveScan > wait 18 months for interview, PTT and training complete > wait two months for approval and pick-up), it's not going to get better. Good luck. Here's hoping you never have to unholster your weapon, except at the range.
Malibu
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^^^ I appreciate your input, and am glad that you were able to secure your permit.
When I went through the process with Kern county (as a primary residence back then) the process was a couple of months. Getting it changed over to LASD was initially easy due to employment when I moved. Renewing it has been an altogether different issue after retirement.
I however speak out due to what I observe that others are going through. Waiting as long as some (most) are is despicable.
While I place no blame on the individual unit members running the process, I do point to the Sheriff. He is the end of the line so to speak, and he is responsible. If lawsuits are successful, he will be forced to make it better through the use of automation, and to remove the burden on his unit to do so much manually, if that is indeed the issue.
The SOLUTION I offer is:
* Applicants secure their required training, fingerprints/livescan, application, references, firearms checks, photo, etc., all PRIOR to applying, on their own time. These items should be good for at least six months before expiring.
* IMMEDIATELY upon applying, the electronically delivered CCW permit is valid, UNTIL LASD can prove otherwise why it should be denied. This temporary permit is valid for two years, and is fully renewable indefinitely. The applicant may if they wish print a hard copy, or store the electronic version on any device for presentation as required by law.
* LASD has 90 days to make a denial for cause, and must state the reason, with applicable law to back it up. After 90 days, a permanent card must be issued. Failure to do so by the time any temporary permit expires at two years, the extension of the temporary permit will occur automatically and WITHOUT CHARGE (ZERO $$) to the applicant.
While I deplore the need to permit a constitutional right, the above would go a long way towns the eventual correction and restoration of the rights of the citizenry.
When I went through the process with Kern county (as a primary residence back then) the process was a couple of months. Getting it changed over to LASD was initially easy due to employment when I moved. Renewing it has been an altogether different issue after retirement.
I however speak out due to what I observe that others are going through. Waiting as long as some (most) are is despicable.
While I place no blame on the individual unit members running the process, I do point to the Sheriff. He is the end of the line so to speak, and he is responsible. If lawsuits are successful, he will be forced to make it better through the use of automation, and to remove the burden on his unit to do so much manually, if that is indeed the issue.
The SOLUTION I offer is:
* Applicants secure their required training, fingerprints/livescan, application, references, firearms checks, photo, etc., all PRIOR to applying, on their own time. These items should be good for at least six months before expiring.
* IMMEDIATELY upon applying, the electronically delivered CCW permit is valid, UNTIL LASD can prove otherwise why it should be denied. This temporary permit is valid for two years, and is fully renewable indefinitely. The applicant may if they wish print a hard copy, or store the electronic version on any device for presentation as required by law.
* LASD has 90 days to make a denial for cause, and must state the reason, with applicable law to back it up. After 90 days, a permanent card must be issued. Failure to do so by the time any temporary permit expires at two years, the extension of the temporary permit will occur automatically and WITHOUT CHARGE (ZERO $$) to the applicant.
While I deplore the need to permit a constitutional right, the above would go a long way towns the eventual correction and restoration of the rights of the citizenry.
I don't think there's 100 deputies in the CCW unit. Let's say there are 10 deputies in it. Another 10 would make the wait one year or so. It's not like LASD needs millions more in their budget to add a few more staff. Also, wasn't there one or two CCW unit deputies fired a year or two ago? I wonder if they were replaced.
Maybe they should cut back the traffic department until the backlog is filled? Or better yet, the federal government should force California to go constitutional carry if our agencies can't give out CCWs in a reasonable amount of time.
You know, New-scum and his fellow tyrannists past a bill that forces cities to approve or deny ADU plans within 60 days. (AB2221) The maximum compromise should be once you've applied and waited 90 days you can carry unless given a valid reason otherwise.
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My understanding at this point is the ccw unit consists of approximately 10 deputies who are taken from other units to serve their time processing ccw applications. They generally do not do this detail voluntarily. They are not formally recognized as a unit and therefore are at the back of the line in terms of funding. This same group, whose numbers remain the same since “Bruen”, are now dealing with a massive influx of permit requests. The deputies assigned to CCW are not the ones at fault. It’s the county failing to fund an appropriate level of staffing. Quite purposeful in my opinion. This issue is the result we get from a complete failure of LA County government from the absolute top. There should be an increase in the staffing of the “CCW Unit” by at least 10 fold. The powers that be don’t allocate funding and couldn’t give 2 
s about it. Hurry up and wait while your Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms is treated as a joke. The deputies that I have spoken to absolutely support your right and want you to be able to lawfully protect yourself (assuming you continue to train to be able to deliver accurate and effective fire if absolutely necessary).
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s about it. Hurry up and wait while your Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms is treated as a joke. The deputies that I have spoken to absolutely support your right and want you to be able to lawfully protect yourself (assuming you continue to train to be able to deliver accurate and effective fire if absolutely necessary). My long winded diatribe has concluded. We return your channel to normally scheduled programming.
I wonder how many of the thousands of CCW applicants waiting would be willing to share their grievance with the long wait at LA board of supervisors meetings?My understanding at this point is the ccw unit consists of approximately 10 deputies who are taken from other units to serve their time processing ccw applications. They generally do not do this detail voluntarily. They are not formally recognized as a unit and therefore are at the back of the line in terms of funding. This same group, whose numbers remain the same since “Bruen”, are now dealing with a massive influx of permit requests. The deputies assigned to CCW are not the ones at fault. It’s the county failing to fund an appropriate level of staffing. Quite purposeful in my opinion. This issue is the result we get from a complete failure of LA County government from the absolute top. There should be an increase in the staffing of the “CCW Unit” by at least 10 fold. The powers that be don’t allocate funding and couldn’t give 2
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NorCalBusa
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Begs the question- why are they all deputies? Screams they need clerical help to crank up throughput, then let a few Deputies sign off. I suspect that's a pretty phat job, that one approaching retirement would love to have. M-F/9-5 w/long lunches...
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As far as I remember the lawsuit CRPA filed against LASD for excessive wait times, brought to light that the CCW unit was 5 deputies large. Four of those processing initial applications and one processing renewals. Directly from the lawsuit...My understanding at this point is the ccw unit consists of approximately 10 deputies who are taken from other units to serve their time processing ccw applications. They generally do not do this detail voluntarily. They are not formally recognized as a unit and therefore are at the back of the line in terms of funding. This same group, whose numbers remain the same since “Bruen”, are now dealing with a massive influx of permit requests. The deputies assigned to CCW are not the ones at fault. It’s the county failing to fund an appropriate level of staffing. Quite purposeful in my opinion. This issue is the result we get from a complete failure of LA County government from the absolute top. There should be an increase in the staffing of the “CCW Unit” by at least 10 fold. The powers that be don’t allocate funding and couldn’t give 2
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"Before January 2024, LASD typically had around five investigators who handled both renewals and initial applications, though the number of agents fluctuated. Id. During that time, the staff could process approximately 20-30 applications per week. Id. LASD, with the assistance of available support personnel from other units, now has four permanent investigators dedicated to initial applications who are assigned approximately 45 applications each week and one investigator focused solely on CCW renewals who can process in the background on approximately 40 applications per week." page 9-10
CRPA v LASD