AB 1127 - does it mean no more PPT?

[The Crow]

does ab1127 mean that whoever has a glock on july 1
means they cannot sell via ppt?

 

[mcnaugcl]

Ppt and Leo are exempt.

 

[Dvrjon]

does ab1127 mean that whoever has a glock on july 1
means they cannot sell via ppt?

No.

27595. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (c), commencing on July 1, 2026, a firearms dealer licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26920, shall not sell, offer for sale, exchange, give, transfer, or deliver any semiautomatic machinegun-convertible pistol, as defined in Section 16885.[…]
(c) This section shall not apply to any of the following:[…]
(3) A private party to private party transaction conducted through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).

Please see: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1127

 

[mvo45]

does ab1127 mean that whoever has a glock on july 1
means they cannot sell via ppt?

PPT is still acceptable, LEO are still able to purchase glocks freely.

 

[2aJayy]

All of the above answers are correct - for now. Don't make the mistake of thinking these clauses are permanent though. Their end goal, as always, is to eventually ban possession outright.

 

[jkcerda]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm be quiet, I am trying to sell mine very high right now..................

 

[thaitee88]

All of the above answers are correct - for now. Don't make the mistake of thinking these clauses are permanent though. Their end goal, as always, is to eventually ban possession outright.

I agree, let’s hope that doesn’t happen but then this is California

 

[nakatomi]

All of the above answers are correct - for now. Don't make the mistake of thinking these clauses are permanent though. Their end goal, as always, is to eventually ban possession outright.

Gun control IMhO was never meant to disarm everyone. It's built to disarm a specific group and leave everyone else alone.

Think about it, the fees forms permit costs, weekday appointments, COE and FFL paperwork don't stop a guy with money and a flexible job. I can clear it in an afternoon because my job is flexible.

The person who can't take off work or front the cash or deal with the bureaucracy gets filtered out. They are also not likely on these forums.

That's why both parties in congress dance around it and why SCOTUS keeps finding reasons not to touch it. A right you have to be affluent to use isn't a right. It's a privilege with a paywall.

 

[Gawernator]

With the DOJ lawsuit most likely the Glock ban and possibly entire roster will be overturned

 

[jkcerda]

With the DOJ lawsuit most likely the Glock ban and possibly entire roster will be overturned

dang it, you guys need to keep quiet, I am trying to sell at a premium here................

 

[lactoast]

dang it, you guys need to keep quiet, I am trying to sell at a premium here................

Don't worry, everything moves at a glacier's pace anyway. I'm just wondering whether we will see ammo prices start coming back down before the next disappointing or surprising news from these lawsuits.

 

[Gawernator]

dang it, you guys need to keep quiet, I am trying to sell at a premium here................

Sell fast lol

 

[nakatomi]

With the DOJ lawsuit most likely the Glock ban and possibly entire roster will be overturned

Safety is always the reason they give for these regulations (eg Glock ban, magazine limits and the roster). The real test for deregulation is that the magazine ban would fall first but all of them are going to need SCOTUS to step in before anything actually changes.

As the saying goes, there are decades where nothing happens and there are days where decades happen.

 

[miles888]

Gun control IMhO was never meant to disarm everyone. It's built to disarm a specific group and leave everyone else alone.

Think about it, the fees forms permit costs, weekday appointments, COE and FFL paperwork don't stop a guy with money and a flexible job. I can clear it in an afternoon because my job is flexible.

The person who can't take off work or front the cash or deal with the bureaucracy gets filtered out. They are also not likely on these forums.

That's why both parties in congress dance around it and why SCOTUS keeps finding reasons not to touch it. A right you have to be affluent to use isn't a right. It's a privilege with a paywall.

I would disagree here.

Guns aren’t any more expensive or complicated than owning a smartphone. Plenty of guns are vastly cheaper than a smart phone.

The legal aspect of firearm ownership almost directly mirrors signing a user agreement on an app like instagram, tik tok, etc. In fact, the agreements are wayyyyyyy longer than anything I’ve come across with firearm ownership in CA. They’re longer than entire criminal statutes.

The only difference is we all read the paperwork and move accordingly. Other people don’t, they just click accept and blindly consume to their heart’s content. It’s fine they don’t own guns. They’re probably too impulsive for the responsibility.

It’s really not hard, and it doesn’t need to be expensive for something functional and basic. I’d rather have a hi point or a used gun than nothing.

The sad truth is the average person literally can’t read above a sixth grade level. It’s not that it’s too expensive… they’re too stupid for the process. And I mean stupid in the classic definition; lacking intelligence.

In an emergency situation they’re probably going to panic and die. They’re going to watch people bleed to death instead of saving a life. They’re going to kill because of emotional slight, etc

 

[SDDAVE56]

Gun control IMhO was never meant to disarm everyone. It's built to disarm a specific group and leave everyone else alone.

Think about it, the fees forms permit costs, weekday appointments, COE and FFL paperwork don't stop a guy with money and a flexible job. I can clear it in an afternoon because my job is flexible.

The person who can't take off work or front the cash or deal with the bureaucracy gets filtered out. They are also not likely on these forums.

That's why both parties in congress dance around it and why SCOTUS keeps finding reasons not to touch it. A right you have to be affluent to use isn't a right. It's a privilege with a paywall.

Gun control in my opinion, is the Democrats seeing what they can get away with, with the end goal of totally disarming the people.

 

[Shellbackitup]

Gun control IMhO was never meant to disarm everyone. It's built to disarm a specific group and leave everyone else alone.

Think about it, the fees forms permit costs, weekday appointments, COE and FFL paperwork don't stop a guy with money and a flexible job. I can clear it in an afternoon because my job is flexible.

The person who can't take off work or front the cash or deal with the bureaucracy gets filtered out. They are also not likely on these forums.

That's why both parties in congress dance around it and why SCOTUS keeps finding reasons not to touch it. A right you have to be affluent to use isn't a right. It's a privilege with a paywall.

100%

 

[BONECUTR]

LEO are still able to purchase glocks freely.

Only Tier 1 LEO's can purchase. Tier Two and Three can not. Same for Federals LEO's. They are not exempt.

 

[Dvrjon]

Only Tier 1 LEO's can purchase. Tier Two and Three can not. Same for Federals LEO's. They are not exempt.

What am I missing? The statute doesn’t identify “Tiers” of authorization. It specifically exempts:

(9) The sale of a machinegun-convertible pistol to an individual who is an active peace officer described in Section 830.1 or a reserve peace officer described in Section 830.6 who is employed or appointed by a law enforcement agency described in Section 830.1 and is authorized to carry a firearm on duty.

If you’re referring to the Groups of law enforcement who can sell off-roster guns acquired through their employers, that creates a problem because some of the entities in Group 2 are included in PC 830.1 (Harbor and Port Districts). Additionally, federal officers are included in Group 1, but are not included in 830.1.

 

[BONECUTR]

What am I missing? The statute doesn’t identify “Tiers” of authorization. It specifically exempts:

If you’re referring to the Groups of law enforcement who can sell off-roster guns acquired through their employers, that creates a problem because some of the entities in Group 2 are included in PC 830.1 (Harbor and Port Districts). Additionally, federal officers are included in Group 1, but are not included in 830.1.

Sorry, forgot about harbor and port being in 830.1.... but generally only tier 1 listed LEO's (and harbor/port) excluding Federal can buy Glocks.
Im sure there will be complaints like when they were cut off before and the law will be amended but right now they are not exempt.

 

[Gawernator]

Gun control in my opinion, is the Democrats seeing what they can get away with, with the end goal of totally disarming the people.

Yep. It’s obvious who pushes the laws lol read the bill creators