Air Force has completed its m18 inspection

[2inthekrink]

https://www.afgsc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4284351/afgsc-completes-m18-handgun-inspection-returns-to-service/

As of 08/25 the weapon has been deemed safe and is being put back into service rotation.

 

[Sevonic]

If anyone's ever seen Avatar the Last Airbender, the only thing I can think of in regards to this update is this phrase: "There is no war in Ba Sing Se."

 

[rfgCA]

https://www.afgsc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4284351/afgsc-completes-m18-handgun-inspection-returns-to-service/

As of 08/25 the weapon has been deemed safe and is being put back into service rotation.

I'm never going to believe that until I see it on YouTube.

Did they even do the screw test? I doubt it

 

[RustyIron]

"Reinforcing muzzle discipline?"
What a novel concept.

 

[jarhead714]

"Reinforcing muzzle discipline?"
What a novel concept.

Take away, “muzzle” and apply it to everyone who owns a 320 and everyone in the Air Force for that matter

 

[bootcamp]

"The inspection process identified discrepancies with 191 weapons across the command’s M18 inventory. The primary discrepancy was related to component wear. The most frequent issues centered on problems with the safety lever, striker assembly and sear. Weapons exhibiting these discrepancies were immediately tagged and are undergoing necessary repairs."

I don't sit right with the statement above found in the article posted. That's 191 discrepancies too many.

I wonder if a Sig representative is present during these "inspections" with a briefcase full of cash persuading the inspectors to put the M18 back in service if they promise to fix all these issues. Ridiculous that they would accept this.

Now these military service members may feel they can't train with their weapon for fear that it may prematurely "wear" their parts out and suffer unintended discharges as a result.

 

[2inthekrink]

"The inspection process identified discrepancies with 191 weapons across the command’s M18 inventory. The primary discrepancy was related to component wear. The most frequent issues centered on problems with the safety lever, striker assembly and sear. Weapons exhibiting these discrepancies were immediately tagged and are undergoing necessary repairs."

I don't sit right with the statement above found in the article posted. That's 191 discrepancies too many.

I wonder if a Sig representative is present during these "inspections" with a briefcase full of cash persuading the inspectors to put the M18 back in service if they promise to fix all these issues. Ridiculous that they would accept this.

Now these military service members may feel they can't train with their weapon for fear that it may prematurely "wear" their parts out and suffer unintended discharges as a result.

That is why a new inspection schedule is being implemented at closer intervals with a specific focus on the parts. Wear comes from usage, unfortunately the case here is overused and under serviced by people who treat guns like .

 

[NorCalBusa]

Glad to see a 4 week turnaround. I'd like to download a copy of their report- anyone see that yet?

 

[treelogger]

"The inspection process identified discrepancies with 191 weapons across the command’s M18 inventory. The primary discrepancy was related to component wear. The most frequent issues centered on problems with the safety lever, striker assembly and sear. Weapons exhibiting these discrepancies were immediately tagged and are undergoing necessary repairs."

I own a few Sig P210s. I've never heard of anyone having to replace safety lever, hammer or firing pin (it has no striker), or trigger components like the sear because of wear. If one uses super-hot rounds (Swedish shooters used to get ++P submachine gun 9mm for nearly free), the slide needs cracks rewelded after a few hundred thousand rounds; with normal ammo, the gun can go to at least half a million round without parts replacement, AFAIK.

Now, the P210 is different from the P320. It is Swiss made, it has no plastic parts at all, all metal parts are forged and/or machined steel (no injection moulding). Yet it was made in very large quantities (given the small size of the country) as a military issue gun.

Obviously, it has downsides: it is heavier (all steel), it has only 8 rounds capacity, and the grip comes only in one size. It also has upsides: it is exceedingly accurate (which is why many ex-military P210s have become competition guns), and it actually shoots the enemy, instead of our own leg.

I question the wisdom of today's military procurement process.

 

[RunAGun]

"The inspection process identified discrepancies with 191 weapons across the command’s M18 inventory. The primary discrepancy was related to component wear. The most frequent issues centered on problems with the safety lever, striker assembly and sear. Weapons exhibiting these discrepancies were immediately tagged and are undergoing necessary repairs."

I don't sit right with the statement above found in the article posted. That's 191 discrepancies too many.

I wonder if a Sig representative is present during these "inspections" with a briefcase full of cash persuading the inspectors to put the M18 back in service if they promise to fix all these issues. Ridiculous that they would accept this.

Now these military service members may feel they can't train with their weapon for fear that it may prematurely "wear" their parts out and suffer unintended discharges as a result.

How much training with pistols do you imagine takes place in the Airforce?

 

[RunAGun]

I own a few Sig P210s. I've never heard of anyone having to replace safety lever, hammer or firing pin (it has no striker), or trigger components like the sear because of wear. If one uses super-hot rounds (Swedish shooters used to get ++P submachine gun 9mm for nearly free), the slide needs cracks rewelded after a few hundred thousand rounds; with normal ammo, the gun can go to at least half a million round without parts replacement, AFAIK.

Now, the P210 is different from the P320. It is Swiss made, it has no plastic parts at all, all metal parts are forged and/or machined steel (no injection moulding). Yet it was made in very large quantities (given the small size of the country) as a military issue gun.

Obviously, it has downsides: it is heavier (all steel), it has only 8 rounds capacity, and the grip comes only in one size. It also has upsides: it is exceedingly accurate (which is why many ex-military P210s have become competition guns), and it actually shoots the enemy, instead of our own leg.

I question the wisdom of today's military procurement process.

Hardly anything you stated about either platform is accurate. There are no “plastic parts” in either pistol.

 

[treelogger]

Hardly anything you stated about either platform is accurate. There are no “plastic parts” in either pistol.

The grip frame (a.k.a. grip module) of most P320 versions is made out of plastic. That's the single biggest piece on the pistol. In contrast, no part of a Swiss-made P210 is made from polymer or plastic.

What other things do you think are incorrect?

 

[bootcamp]

How much training with pistols do you imagine takes place in the Airforce?

Are you seriously defending that for brains company? That's irrelevent here dude. There are glocks out there with 100,000 rounds fired that have very little parts serviced. Hell some of the G18 run full auto which is subject to 100x more abuse that dont need parts replaced every 6 months lol.