Feedback Legal Are these legal to own?

[M2A1.50]

Like stated above, can I own these in california. I ask because I came up on 2 solid deals while I'm currently in the East coast but I'm living in Cali. Can I bring these back with me, I'm not planning to use them. They just look nice and cool pieces to talk about. I know they can not have a fore grip on them.

 

[Fatchoon]

I don’t believe so. Can’t bring them.

 

[oneaudiopro]

Can't buy them either back east if you're a California resident.

 

[angryasian]

You cannot legally own them. Front grips and sticks on pistols make it a no no. Gotta love the funny laws here

 

[M2A1.50]

You cannot legally own them. Front grips and sticks on pistols make it a no no. Gotta love the funny laws here

I really don't, makes you feel sad for yourself and everyone else that follows the rules.

 

[angryasian]

I was being sarcastic

 

[Baldy333]

I'm not planning to use them. They just look nice and cool pieces to talk about. I know they can not have a fore grip on them.

If you're not planning to use them you can fill the barrels with concrete and bring them in as contemporary art.

 

[M2A1.50]

I should say, the pistols are not included. I'm just wanting to buy the chassis of the two.

 

[foothillman]

A California resident can purchase firearms from free States.
If the California FFL will accept them and start a DROS is up to the FFL.
I have purchased from, Washington, 2 x Oregon, Texas, 2 x Florida and Montana.
Some shipped from the resident of that State with copy of ID to my FFL.
Some dropped off at owners State FFL for shipping with CFLC approval letter.
On Roster and DROS at a California FFL.
One OFF Roster but was a "Olympic Exempt" pistol.

This is NOT a Private Party Transfer so CA FFL can charge any fee they want for service.
Always check with your FFL before buying.
Switched to another FFL when fee increased from $25 to $100

 

[21SF 2.0]

It’s not even a firearm

 

[Jcwatchdog]

Like stated above, can I own these in california. I ask because I came up on 2 solid deals while I'm currently in the East coast but I'm living in Cali. Can I bring these back with me, I'm not planning to use them. They just look nice and cool pieces to talk about. I know they can not have a fore grip on them.

I’m not sure what everyone is talking about, but they most certainly are 100% legal to buy and own in California (the chassis only without the gun). You can keep them in their boxes and take them with you when you leave. Just don’t insert a gun in them while you’re here.

 

[DB>)>]

I believe according to the recent 9th en banc ruling, they wou;ld be classified as "accessories" or "accoutrements" (not firearms or protected by 2A...). This is called "fabricated legal word games".

In theory that would mean they "could" be banned or prohibited, but AFAIK they have not been specifically banned, you just can't use them as intended, as the combination would be prohibited by other laws....

And yes, that is an angel you hear, swearing over your shoulder... Could be worse, you could live in CO?!

 

[angryasian]

I’d be careful of owning parts like that that manufactures won’t ship to California. I know some folks might get up in arms about that but consider risk vs reward here. Is it really worth fighting the California court system to own something like that. I pistol on its own gets the job done as cool as those chassis are.

 

[westsidearms]

LOL to everyone who thought he meant the firearms and not the silly chassis system.

So here is the problem with that set up. First, the assault weapons rules state

PC 30515 (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(B) A second handgrip.

Note it does not say a vertical pistol grip, just a second hand grip. So both of those appear to have a second handgrip and the one on the right appears to have a vertical handgrip which might also be an AOW violation as well. So in order to legally use them, you would need to have a fixed magazine that requires disassembly of the pistol action. Good luck with that.

The second issue is California does not define what a buttstock is. So both of those "braces" could be construed as a buttstock, especially when they pull your social media videos you have been bragging about showing you shooting them from your shoulder like a buttstock. So now you not only have an AW charge, but a SBR charge as well.

And all for what? Because you have a severely underperforming pistol caliber carbine? Now, I agree with everyone who says as long as it is not installed, it might not be illegal to possess (you could also be the very expensive test case that establishes a new constructive possession case law and sure enough, it is illegal). However, I again go back to other than the cool factor (which I respect your theoretical liberty and freedom to do as you wish! #murica), there is no practical purpose to have one of these sitting around the house: unassembled or assembled. No practical unassembled reason since it is going to take a while to assemble (well at least longer than putting an upper and lower together) and again you have a very limited pistol caliber carbine when if SHTF is happening, you need more than that. And no practical assembled reason to risk felonies for an underpowered pistol caliber carbine when you might as well go suppressed, full auto, real rifle. I suppose if you already had a bunch of other illegal items, then what is one more charge? That would make the only logical sense though it is still illogical given you can have as many uppers and lowers separated in your house as you want, including lawful short barreled uppers with your lawfully acquired AR15 pistols. There is zero reason to have illegal assault weapons in your possession at any time and risk a felony. At least that is my opinion, take it for what it is worth.

 

[Enthused]

You can't use them here so there's no point in bringing them here. When/if you leave CA for good, just buy them new then. That way you won't be lugging them around in the meantime, and you will be able to actually use them when you do buy them.

 

[Least Deranged Nowi Fan]

the recover tactical one is legal to use as long as you take that front mag holder off. the rail underneath isn't meant to be held therefore it can't be a handgrip (or you could put a flashlight under it)

but it sucks to actually use so don't bother lol, too flexible of a "brace" and short LOP

 

[westsidearms]

the recover tactical one is legal to use as long as you take that front mag holder off. the rail underneath isn't meant to be held therefore it can't be a handgrip (or you could put a flashlight under it)

but it sucks to actually use so don't bother lol, too flexible of a "brace" and short LOP

I agree with that magazine holder removed, it might not constitute a second grip. I still think you are in unchartered territory with a possible SBR charge since that folding arm brace looks exactly like a folding stock. It would not seem to difficult for a DA to get a jury to see it that way too. Especially when there will be video of that being used as a brace somewhere for them to see. Again, this is only a California thing since the feds have said some of those devices are arm braces and not stocks.

 

[Nefarious]

back when the glockstore was in san diego, and back when the gunshows were still decent to go to... I purchased 3 of the "Roni" or "micro roni" right there at the show. I ended up selling them off to buddies so I cant comment exactly how the layout was. But these look a little different from the ones I remember buying

Edit: I dont remember the ones I bought having the extra magwell in front

 

[Gerry]

I have seen similar Items sold here in SoCal at local gun shows