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MOVING TO CA WITH COMPLETE AR PISTOLS

“The conversion of a single shot pistol to a semi-automatic pistol may constitute the manufacturing of an unsafe handgun, in violation of California Penal Code section 32000 (a), a misdemeanor.”

If this were true, gun shops all over CA would have been cited, arrested, and/or shut down during SSE.

Agree with this “ Manufacturing is before transfer, gunsmithing is after.”

Not a lawyer and don’t have an ar pistol. Had an extar 556 but traded it. I didn’t enjoy shooting it.
 
Mine was converted to a rifle. It was built many years ago. I don't care for a legal possession getting turned into a crime because Excremento hates guns.

California has a record of doing that to it's citizens.
 
“The conversion of a single shot pistol to a semi-automatic pistol may constitute the manufacturing of an unsafe handgun, in violation of California Penal Code section 32000 (a), a misdemeanor.”

If this were true, gun shops all over CA would have been cited, arrested, and/or shut down during SSE.

Agree with this “ Manufacturing is before transfer, gunsmithing is after.”

Not a lawyer and don’t have an ar pistol. Had an extar 556 but traded it. I didn’t enjoy shooting it.
The statement "Manufacturing is before transfer, gunsmithing is after" is questionable, especially following the Fourth Circuit's decision in Broughman v Carver, and the adoption of a Broughman-like definition of manufacturing by the California DOJ.

I'm not aware of any California prosecutions based on a Broughman theory of criminal liability, but that doesn't stop California prosecutors from undertaking one in the future.
 
The statement "Manufacturing is before transfer, gunsmithing is after" is questionable, especially following the Fourth Circuit's decision in Broughman v Carver, and the adoption of a Broughman-like definition of manufacturing by the California DOJ.

I'm not aware of any California prosecutions based on a Broughman theory of criminal liability, but that doesn't stop California prosecutors from undertaking one in the future.
So I've never heard of this case before, but after googling it and reading the case summary, it only proves my point.

Pulled directly from the case summary on courtlistener.com:

Absent explicit legislative intent to the contrary,” we give the words of a statute their “plain and ordinary meaning.” Carbon Fuel Co. v. USX Corp., 100 F.3d 1124, 1133 (4th Cir.1996). The plain and ordinary meaning of the word “manufacture” is “to make into a product suitable for use.” Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (2010); see also id. (listing as related words “assemble, build, construct ... refashion, [and] remake”). We therefore conclude that manufacturing firearms under § 923(a) entails assembling a firearm’s individual components so as to render the firearm “suitable for use.” 3 The manner *676 in which Broughman conducts his gun business; i.e., “build[ing] custom bolt action rifles” by threading and chambering barrels to fit firearms actions, bluing the actions, and making and fitting stocks to the actions and barrels; undoubtedly places him within the statutory category of a firearms “manufacturer.”

In layman's terms, Broughman was buying bolt action receivers from other companies, and then assembling them into fully functioning rifles by threading barrels, refinishing components, and making stocks, then transferring the firearm to his customers. ATF (Carver) said that made him qualify as a manufacturer and he therefore needed a manufacturers license, because he was assembling the firearm before transfer.

If Broughman had transferred the bolt action receiver as a receiver, and then built the rifle out, that would fall under gunsmithing and would not require a manufacturers license, only a dealers license (which covers gunsmithing.)

This is consistent with what I said, that manufacturing happens before transfer, gunsmithing happens after.
 
The way I see it, if anyone is going to be made into an example by the state and used to set case law precedent, it would be someone high profile like Reno May, not some rando unless they’re trying to enhance some other big felony charge. They’re the proverbial canary in the coal mine, so as long as they’re good, I’m not overly concerned.
 
The way I see it, if anyone is going to be made into an example by the state and used to set case law precedent, it would be someone high profile like Reno May, not some rando unless they’re trying to enhance some other big felony charge. They’re the proverbial canary in the coal mine, so as long as they’re good, I’m not overly concerned.
Yeah Reno May definitely has a target on his back being a plaintiff in the case he has against DoJ, and with all the other boundary-pushing stuff hes doing with Manzano like AOW shotguns (which is awesome)

For anybody looking for info or case updates hes a great resource and will 100% be your personal lawyer if you need him to be 😅 (not actually)
 
So I've never heard of this case before, but after googling it and reading the case summary, it only proves my point.

Pulled directly from the case summary on courtlistener.com:

Absent explicit legislative intent to the contrary,” we give the words of a statute their “plain and ordinary meaning.” Carbon Fuel Co. v. USX Corp., 100 F.3d 1124, 1133 (4th Cir.1996). The plain and ordinary meaning of the word “manufacture” is “to make into a product suitable for use.” Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (2010); see also id. (listing as related words “assemble, build, construct ... refashion, [and] remake”). We therefore conclude that manufacturing firearms under § 923(a) entails assembling a firearm’s individual components so as to render the firearm “suitable for use.” 3 The manner *676 in which Broughman conducts his gun business; i.e., “build[ing] custom bolt action rifles” by threading and chambering barrels to fit firearms actions, bluing the actions, and making and fitting stocks to the actions and barrels; undoubtedly places him within the statutory category of a firearms “manufacturer.”

In layman's terms, Broughman was buying bolt action receivers from other companies, and then assembling them into fully functioning rifles by threading barrels, refinishing components, and making stocks, then transferring the firearm to his customers. ATF (Carver) said that made him qualify as a manufacturer and he therefore needed a manufacturers license, because he was assembling the firearm before transfer.

If Broughman had transferred the bolt action receiver as a receiver, and then built the rifle out, that would fall under gunsmithing and would not require a manufacturers license, only a dealers license (which covers gunsmithing.)

This is consistent with what I said, that manufacturing happens before transfer, gunsmithing happens after.
You've got a good understanding of Broughman, and I like your analysis. But you can't reconcile your analysis with the position that California has taken that "The conversion of a single shot pistol to a semi-automatic pistol may constitute the manufacturing of an unsafe handgun, in violation of California Penal Code section 32000 (a), a misdemeanor.”
 
Just make sure the receiver isn’t marked Colt, Colt Sporter, Match Target, etc. Basically no banned by name Colts.
 
You've got a good understanding of Broughman, and I like your analysis. But you can't reconcile your analysis with the position that California has taken that "The conversion of a single shot pistol to a semi-automatic pistol may constitute the manufacturing of an unsafe handgun, in violation of California Penal Code section 32000 (a), a misdemeanor.”
As I stated before, "may constitute" is the crucial term there...

They aren't saying it does constitute manufacturing an unsafe handgun, because they know that would conflict with other case precedent and the statutes themselves. There is nothing in the penal code that says it is illegal to own a semi automatic pistol, with a threaded barrel, a barrel shroud, a magazine located outside the pistol grip, etc, with a fixed magazine. There is also nothing in the penal code that outright states it is illegal to modify an action from one type to another.

With a fixed magazine all of those features are 100% OK, and changing from single shot to semi-auto is OK, as long as it is also converted to fixed magazine.

if it werent converted to fixed magazine, then it would be considered an assault weapon and would obviously qualify as an "unsafe handgun" under CA law.. but this would still fall under the ATF definition of "gunsmithing" not "manufacturing"
 
man most gun shops even said once i register the ar as a pistol here i can’t even sell it it must be destroyed if i want to get rid of it doj dont even say that so is it just gun shops are not knowledgeable?
 
idk who you're talking to at these gun shops but thats completely wrong... you can private party transfer the gun at any time if you decide you dont want it anymore..

if you do try to sell one, some stores may ask to see proof of the registration that you do through CFARS, showing its registered as a pistol, but other than that, you can sell it like any other gun on the private market
 
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