My first bill drill

[Hamburger Monster]

I'm not always up on the latest terms and nomenclature or even what the best training drills are. But benn watching more of Ben Stroeger and Tier 1 Concealed.

Was out shooting this weekend in the national forest woth my GF and decided to try out the bill drill at 10 yards. Just paced it out so may not be perfect. Carry a Sig P365 at 6:00 so I was drawing from there with it. No timer. But would guess at 8 seconds total for draw and 11 rounds on target. Grouping is about 3". Could definitely use more practice on the draw as that is where I believe most time is wasted.

What do you think?

Also, GF wanted to try out my AR.

 

[Hamburger Monster]

I also think I need to adjust the dot as the grouping was off a little from the target, but I couldn't find a small enough hex wrench that fit. So I left it for now. Will have to look in my Sig box to see if it's there and put it woth the rest of them so I can fid it next time

 

[rodralig]

Why not run it to a standard? Pick 7 or 10 yards and do 6 rounds.

If you’re already holding around a 3-inch group, you can push the pace more - 8 seconds is a long time. The point isn’t to make the tightest possible group; it’s to keep acceptable accuracy, say within an 8-inch circle, while shooting as fast as you can control. That gives you a much better test of recoil management.

Also, take a video. Saying you did 11 rounds in 8 seconds at 10 yards doesn’t really tell us whether the issue is the draw, your cadence, or your recoil control.

 

[Hindsight]

Wait, by 6 o’clock you mean small of the back and not 12 o’clock (AIWB)?

 

[Gawernator]

No video of the bill drill?!

 

[Hamburger Monster]

Why not run it to a standard? Pick 7 or 10 yards and do 6 rounds.

If you’re already holding around a 3-inch group, you can push the pace more - 8 seconds is a long time. The point isn’t to make the tightest possible group; it’s to keep acceptable accuracy, say within an 8-inch circle, while shooting as fast as you can control. That gives you a much better test of recoil management.

Also, take a video. Saying you did 11 rounds in 8 seconds at 10 yards doesn’t really tell us whether the issue is the draw, your cadence, or your recoil control.

Yes, I need to film it. Maybe next time I can get my GF hold the phone. I know for sure the draw is really slow and I need a lot more practice. Bit filming it can definitely tell me if there is any particular issue or something else hanging me up

Wait, by 6 o’clock you mean small of the back and not 12 o’clock (AIWB)?

12:00 is not comfortable for me. Especially sitting. It prints way too much for my liking too. I can go all day at 6:00. Sitting is no problem. Draw is the only issue but hopping practice can fix that

 

[Gawernator]

Yes, I need to film it. Maybe next time I can get my GF hold the phone. I know for sure the draw is really slow and I need a lot more practice. Bit filming it can definitely tell me if there is any particular issue or something else hanging me up

12:00 is not comfortable for me. Especially sitting. It prints way too much for my liking too. I can go all day at 6:00. Sitting is no problem. Draw is the only issue but hopping practice can fix that

You can get a dirt cheap camera tripod

 

[Hamburger Monster]

No video of the bill drill?!

Sadly no. Would need to convince GF to film it. She was wanting to set back as I was shooting. Understandable as she is still new to shooting and I don't want to put her in any position she may be uncomfortable.

 

[Hamburger Monster]

You can get a dirt cheap camera tripod

I actually have a nice tripod that I can probably get an attachment that can hold my phone. Plus I can use my phone as a shot timer so I have better ideas what I'm doing

 

[Hindsight]

Yes, I need to film it. Maybe next time I can get my GF hold the phone. I know for sure the draw is really slow and I need a lot more practice. Bit filming it can definitely tell me if there is any particular issue or something else hanging me up

12:00 is not comfortable for me. Especially sitting. It prints way too much for my liking too. I can go all day at 6:00. Sitting is no problem. Draw is the only issue but hopping practice can fix that

Are you especially skinny or something? Usually AIWB is where you have the most room to conceal something (even more so than behind your back) as you have the entire front + the peaks and valleys of your inguinal crease.

Do what works for you and you’ll carry and train with consistently, but I’d say even 4 o’clock would be better as with small of the back you can’t watch your reholstering at all and you have much less visibility of its concealement status and ability to defend a gun grab. It’s also a lot less accessible in confined spaces or if seated.

But, I’m sure you’d taken these considerations into account. Just repeating them for the benefit of others who may not know.

 

[Hamburger Monster]

Are you especially skinny or something? Usually AIWB is where you have the most room to conceal something (even more so than behind your back) as you have the entire front + the peaks and valleys of your inguinal crease.

Do what works for you and you’ll carry and train with consistently, but I’d say even 4 o’clock would be better as with small of the back you can’t watch your reholstering at all and you have much less visibility of its concealement status and ability to defend a gun grab. It’s also a lot less accessible in confined spaces or if seated.

But, I’m sure you’d taken these considerations into account. Just repeating them for the benefit of others who may not know.

I'm a fairly thin build. 6" and about 160lbs. The gun fits in the small of my back and the shirt hangs over it and it's not really visible. Up front it gives me a unnatural belly with a gun shape