ohh sig.....

[Malibu]

Does the current lawsuit(s) include plaintiffs who were innocent bystanders injured as a result of the discharges? If so, those folks would rightfully be entitled to compensation, commensurate with any injuries/damages received. If it can be proven that the manufacturer knowingly colluded in the suppression of design flaws in order to facilitate sales, the punitive damages could (and IMO should) be very high. These are interesting times…

 

[BillSmith]

Sig Sauer, Sig Sauer
Oh, have you heard of Sig Sauer
Sig Sauer the firearms maker
They have a model
That's adored so
It'll go off and
Make you so sore

Sung to tune, Lydia the Tattooed Lady

 

[9mmContagion]

I’ll be honest, I haven’t taken the time to watch all of the videos. I’ve shelved my 320 for carry and even the range for now. But if it is clear what the issue is, as it seems many have figured out, why has nobody come up with a fix of their own? Seems like a company could make some decent money, but then again I guess that could open another door if it in fact doesn’t change anything. But seems like an idea that could be sold to sig one way or another

 

[Markbsae]

This is a test I'll be doing with my Legion later

In my eyes this is a bit inconclusive. Assemble the gun completely and toss in a primed case with no powder and a good primer and repeat. Then we can talk more about it. Holding the gun in place by hand is not a relevant scenario for a conclusion.

 

[Malibu]

I’ve shelved my 320 for carry and even the range for now.

It has become a boat anchor that must be safely stored, taking up space that something else could use. I have a few of those (not SIG), and have contemplated scrapping them.

But if it is clear what the issue is, as it seems many have figured out, why has nobody come up with a fix of their own? Seems like a company could make some decent money, but then again I guess that could open another door if it in fact doesn’t change anything. But seems like an idea that could be sold to sig one way or another

Might take a lot of engineering, and would require extensive testing. That would/could be expensive for an independent entity to do, and then to assume any product liability that went along with it. Selling it to SIG is a great idea, provided it actually worked, and you could take whatever means are necessary (patent?) to keep them from stealing the idea before they actually come up with a fix on their own.
I foresee a massive recall attempt with either a “fix” of sorts, or replacement with something else. Hopefully folks won’t be on the loosing end if they acquired lots of spare parts, magazines, holsters, etc. if those items end up being incompatible down the road.

 

[Subotai]

Seen too many videos. Forget it. I traded in my P320 at a loss and bought an M&P Compact 2.0. Don't worry Sig guys, I still have another Sig, I just can't trust the P320. I am disappoint.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I miss the "To hell and back reliability" days. I had a P6, P220 and P226 years ago that were West German makes and they were tanks.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Seen too many videos. Forget it. I traded in my P320 at a loss and bought an M&P Compact 2.0. Don't worry Sig guys, I still have another Sig, I just can't trust the P320. I am disappoint.

I actually wanted a P320 when they came out but I like to wait when a manufacture makes a completely new model (internals) until the Gen 2 or recall comes out when everything gets fixed.

Glad I waited this time. I still like the concept and the end product except for the issue.

 

[DJD100]

In my eyes this is a bit inconclusive. Assemble the gun completely and toss in a primed case with no powder and a good primer and repeat. Then we can talk more about it. Holding the gun in place by hand is not a relevant scenario for a conclusion.

It's just a testing procedure to illustrate the possible problem, or one element of it anyways with regards to the striker safety being deactivated without a trigger pull, which has to happen for these un-commanded discharges. There's also the updated post drop-fire problem sear design that seems to be an element of the problem as well along with parts tolerances and manufacturing materials etc.

Happy with my p365 Spectre Comp, not getting a P320.

 

[DJD100]

...more here with regards to the FBI Ballistics Lab's investigation into the P320, and they're results which indicate the striker safety can fail in some cases due to a number of everyday holstered variables plus manufacturing tolerances...

 

[DJD100]

...and here...

 

[DesertDepotArms]

If you read the whole report they actually do not find any problems or failures. They have to grind down parts to get it to fail.
This is actually good for SIG. The youtuber just is trying to spin it for clicks.

 

[DJD100]

If you read the whole report they actually do not find any problems or failures. They have to grind down parts to get it to fail.
This is actually good for SIG. The youtuber just is trying to spin it for clicks.

Well, the FBI did find the following (the grinding was just to test the secondary sear notch)...

• The striker safety lock is intended to prevent the striker from moving forward in the event sear engagement (primary or secondary) is lost. It was observed that the spring was not fully seated on its post. It was also observed that the striker safety lock spring was only captured at the top of the striker housing. A pre-upgrade Sig Sauer P320 striker safety lock was reviewed for comparison, and it was observed that both the top and bottom of the striker safety lock spring was captured. If the striker safety lock spring leg lost engagement with the top of the striker safety lock, the lock would no longer be spring loaded and could possibly seize or "free-float" rendering the striker safety lock inoperable.
• Additionally, the wear on the sear appeared to be off-center and both the primary and secondary sear notch edges appeared worn (this weapon had approximately 1300 rounds down the pipe).
• The striker pin hook was examined due to its relationship to the sear during normal function. It was observed that the bottom of the striker pin hook face that engages with the sear had a "ledge" rather than being flat.
• The primary sear notch holds the striker, which is under spring tension, to the rear until the trigger is pressed. The secondary sear notch is located forward of the primary sear notch and "is designed to capture the striker pin hook in the event of sear and striker separation without the trigger being pressed. "Sig Sauer recommends a replacement schedule of the sear every 20,000 rounds "to prevent equipment failure before it actually occurs". The primary and secondary sear notch edges exhibit wear aligned with the striker pin hook. The face edge of each sear notch has a "chipped" appearance. Additionally, there appears to be a manufacturing artifact on the primary sear ramp just in front of the primary sear notch.
• The striker pin hook "ledge" shown in reduces the engagement surface between the primary sear notch and the striker pin face to the "face" of the "ledge". Additionally, the misshapen striker pin hook face may be contributing to excessive wear on the primary and secondary sear notches.
• Following the initial evaluation, limited live-fire testing was conducted for function and to determine if the striker safety lock spring moved. The striker safety lock spring was fully seated prior to testing by pressing the spring fully against the striker housing. Thereafter, BRF fired 50 rounds using MSP service ammunition (Federal Premium Tactical HST 147 grain). The striker assembly was removed to observe the position of the spring. This process was completed three times.
  It was observed on all three iterations the striker safety lock spring moved during firing as seen in representative images below: Federal Premium Tactical HST 147 grain (P9HST2). As previously stated, should the spring leg slip off the striker safety lock, it may leave the safety inoperable. So long as the space between the striker channel wall and the striker safety lock does not exceed the width of the striker safety lock spring, it should remain in place despite not being captured by design.
• The remaining attempts resulted in no firing of the primed case and no evidence that the striker had contacted the primer. Ultimately, in these instances the striker safety lock functioned as designed.
  A brand-new unfired Sig Sauer M18 pistol33 was obtained from MSP to determine if the test could be repeated on another weapon. On the first attempt, the striker safety lock successfully prevented the striker from impacting the primed case. However, on the second attempt the primed case fired, indicating the striker safety lock failed to stop the striker’s forward movement. The primer indent measured 0.023”.

Manufacturing tolerances, manufacturing materials, FCU torquing in the grip or via impact, round count, and usage all seem to be variables with the problem to me, and if you carry a P320 I hope you have up-armored underwear!

P.S. Love my Sig P365 Spectre Comp, i.e. not a Sig hater!

 

[dwatts]

Reading the report caused the urge to purchase the AXG grip module for my P365. Spooky implications, even though the striker design on the P365 is not the same as the P320. Report made an impression on me.

 

[DJD100]

In fairness to Sig it should also be pointed out that most likely the number of flawed weapons in the field is a small percentage of the number manufactured, and at least some percentage of the flaws were most likely user modifications or handling issues, though with that said the possibility of life changing and devastating damage done by an un-commanded discharge makes even the smallest percentage of factory built problem guns a huge deal.

 

[DJD100]

ICE cans the Sig P320...