Slapping the Trigger

[Brandon Breeze]

I had to google trigger freeze, I've never had that happen. I would like to try competition shooting eventually, but my focus is more on real life / "tactical" (lol..) shooting. I know the targets won't shoot back at me haha

I had the same mindset for many years.

As a fellow rider, who has ridden on the track, it's a very similar shift in skill when you hit matches to when you get better on the track.

You see all those squids out on the street, thinking they are Valentino Rossi... then they get to the track and it takes them 2 years to get out of C Group.

Very similar when going to Competitive shooting. There were military guys, LEO, firearms instructors etc in my intro to USPSA class. They all were slow AF.

My first match? Bottom 8%, my latest match only 90 days later? Top 30%. Nowhere near where I want to be, but building the skills of being able to move quicker, shoot on the move and maintaining accuracy in addition to having lightning speed fundamentals, malfunctions clearing etc.

There is no world where I see Competitive shooting hurting you if you were ever in a pew pew fight. Matt Pranka has a great perspective on this and he was legit SF for many moons and now a competitive shooter.

 

[Hindsight]

Tactics are separate from hard skills, but having a solid base of fundamentals frees you up to better process and implement tactics if you don’t have to think about how to operate your firearm, how to hit what you want when you want, etc.

Always a good idea to train both, but I’d place more importance for average civilian CCW use in just having good hard skills. Tactics are harder to tell the snake oil salesmen apart and also a lot of stuff can be teamed based or things you wouldn’t realistically participate in. Diversify with some light low, shooting from and around vehicles, striking/grappling martial arts, force on force classes, and other mindset type scenario training if you’d like though.

 

[Gawernator]

I had the same mindset for many years.

As a fellow rider, who has ridden on the track, it's a very similar shift in skill when you hit matches to when you get better on the track.

You see all those squids out on the street, thinking they are Valentino Rossi... then they get to the track and it takes them 2 years to get out of C Group.

Very similar when going to Competitive shooting. There were military guys, LEO, firearms instructors etc in my intro to USPSA class. They all were slow AF.

My first match? Bottom 8%, my latest match only 90 days later? Top 30%. Nowhere near where I want to be, but building the skills of being able to move quicker, shoot on the move and maintaining accuracy in addition to having lightning speed fundamentals, malfunctions clearing etc.

There is no world where I see Competitive shooting hurting you if you were ever in a pew pew fight. Matt Pranka has a great perspective on this and he was legit SF for many moons and now a competitive shooter.

Like moving from C to A group in one season hahah. I haven't ridden since my motor overheated again at Thunderhill last July. Now that I'm an oper8r again and running my PI firm full time I haven't had much time or desire to race... sad

 

[Gawernator]

Tactics are separate from hard skills, but having a solid base of fundamentals frees you up to better process and implement tactics if you don’t have to think about how to operate your firearm, how to hit what you want when you want, etc.

Always a good idea to train both, but I’d place more importance for average civilian CCW use in just having good hard skills. Tactics are harder to tell the snake oil salesmen apart and also a lot of stuff can be teamed based or things you wouldn’t realistically participate in. Diversify with some light low, shooting from and around vehicles, striking/grappling martial arts, force on force classes, and other mindset type scenario training if you’d like though.

Idk if this is crazy or not but in my CCW class we did CQB/room clearing, a bit of hand to hand fighting, practiced malfunction drills with snap caps, and did some vehicle shooting scenarios in the parking lot. My best pal just did his class this weekend in LA and they didn't cover any of that. We also shot both days quite a bit, his was only at the end of the second day to do the qual. So idk if I got the John Wick CCW class or what

 

[Hindsight]

Idk if this is crazy or not but in my CCW class we did CQB/room clearing, a bit of hand to hand fighting, practiced malfunction drills with snap caps, and did some vehicle shooting scenarios in the parking lot. My best pal just did his class this weekend in LA and they didn't cover any of that. We also shot both days quite a bit, his was only at the end of the second day to do the qual. So idk if I got the John Wick CCW class or what

Uh, yah. That's not common at all/what I'd expect. Maybe if you purposely picked a training provider that caters to students that are seeking more involved or well rounded curriculums or perhaps it's also cross sold to LEOs and other armed professionals as a way to get more out of a class they already had to do just to get their personal carry license/maybe they're not eligible for LEOSA for some reason.


The bread and butter/cheaper classes tend to be focused around first timers, often time newish carriers or gun owners who can barely qualify and are relatively unsafe in handling practices, and the educational aspect of what it means to carry, how and when to do so legally, and maybe some of the defensive mindset side if they get to that at all.

 

[GeeQ87]

Idk if this is crazy or not but in my CCW class we did CQB/room clearing, a bit of hand to hand fighting, practiced malfunction drills with snap caps, and did some vehicle shooting scenarios in the parking lot. My best pal just did his class this weekend in LA and they didn't cover any of that. We also shot both days quite a bit, his was only at the end of the second day to do the qual. So idk if I got the John Wick CCW class or what

Yan Wix lol my bro just took his out here in LA and nothing like yours lol

 

[Gawernator]

Uh, yah. That's not common at all/what I'd expect. Maybe if you purposely picked a training provider that caters to students that are seeking more involved or well rounded curriculums or perhaps it's also cross sold to LEOs and other armed professionals as a way to get more out of a class they already had to do just to get their personal carry license/maybe they're not eligible for LEOSA for some reason.


The bread and butter/cheaper classes tend to be focused around first timers, often time newish carriers or gun owners who can barely qualify and are relatively unsafe in handling practices, and the educational aspect of what it means to carry, how and when to do so legally, and maybe some of the defensive mindset side if they get to that at all.

Yan Wix lol my bro just took his out here in LA and nothing like yours lol

This is the course and I just took it because it was recommended by Placer Sporting Club and I just went because my friend goes there. I hadn't shot a gun seriously since getting out of the military when I showed up lol

CCW Classes

Our concealed carry classes are offered for California residents attempting to obtain their first CCW or apply for a renewal of a CCW. Successful completion will earn the necessary documents...

www.defensivetriad.com

 

[rodralig]

Tactics are separate from hard skills, but having a solid base of fundamentals frees you up to better process and implement tactics if you don’t have to think about how to operate your firearm, how to hit what you want when you want, etc.

Exactly. I take defensive and tactics classes from one of the better-known schools in Southern California. They don’t care that I have a competitive shooting background, or whether I “slap” the trigger, because I make the hits.

At 15 yards and in? Yep, I’ll slap that trigger. Farther out, even past 100 yards, I can slow down and use a more deliberate press when the shot demands it.

Because my marksmanship at speed is already close to automatic, I can devote more attention to movement, decision-making, and tactics instead of muddling over fundamentals.

Yeah those guys almost never have videos of them shooting or really anything..

Yes, so many groups are still filled with the usual Fuddlore. My personal favorites: insisting on the “correct” finger-pad placement, using an old one-handed bullseye diagnostic chart, % grip between left & right hands, and endlessly repeating, “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.”

 

[Gawernator]

Exactly. I take defensive and tactics classes from one of the better-known schools in Southern California. They don’t care that I have a competitive shooting background, or whether I “slap” the trigger, because I make the hits.

At 15 yards and in? Yep, I’ll slap that trigger. Farther out, even past 100 yards, I can slow down and use a more deliberate press when the shot demands it.

Because my marksmanship at speed is already close to automatic, I can devote more attention to movement, decision-making, and tactics instead of muddling over fundamentals.




Yes, so many groups are still filled with the usual Fuddlore. My personal favorites: insisting on the “correct” finger-pad placement, using an old one-handed bullseye diagnostic chart, and endlessly repeating, “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.”

Not gonna lie I've heard this since I was a kid “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.”

"old one-handed bullseye diagnostic chart" what is that?

 

[grandpapeepap]

Not gonna lie I've heard this since I was a kid “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.”

"old one-handed bullseye diagnostic chart" what is that?

similar to those ones i shared in another thread but not jokes on it

 

[rodralig]

Not gonna lie I've heard this since I was a kid “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.”

Smooth is fast... Slow is STILL slow.

"old one-handed bullseye diagnostic chart" what is that?

This...

 

[rodralig]

similar to those ones i shared in another thread but not jokes on it

I should create a new thread here in CaGuns - what are your favorite Fuddlore.

 

[Gawernator]

Smooth is fast... Slow is STILL slow.



This...

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I was super smooth and fast.. until I crashed on tv

 

[rodralig]

Here is a more contemporary take from the school that has produced a few national/world champions in the practical shooting sport

 

[Gawernator]

Here is a more contemporary take from the school that has produced a few national/world champions in the practical shooting sport

I literally just got a MantisX10