Stock Springs vs Lighter Springs for CCW

[Toshiro Mifune]

This is 100% fuddlore, there's no legal ramifications of putting a lighter trigger in your gun, unless of course it goes off when you don't intend it to. But striker fired guns (except the p320 of course ) don't go off unless you pull the trigger even if they are lightened.

Fuddlore for sure.

I would like to see proof of a case where a person was prosecuted or convicted because of gun modifications that was otherwise a good shoot.

 

[Mongo]

It’s one of the situation that damn if you do (tell them that you have anything under the barrel modified) and damn if you don’t (the worst possible case when your gun is in evident locker). From my point of view, I would keep everything stock to make my defend lawyer job easier when I go to court.

Sure… or you can just say I bought it that way.
I don’t plan on shooting anyone to think to that level I guess… to make sure my lawyer has less common sense logic to deal with.
The store that offered to buy it with the visible
modifications didn’t even ask any questions… They just didn’t offer me as much as I wanted…. They said we will offer you more in 2026 for it.
May end up just keeping it…

 

[raellic]

100% Fuddlore. Some folks give too much credit to law enforcement without realizing the cost in manpower, court time, attorney time, expert time and costs, and whatever else it would take to actually get someone in trouble for modifying the trigger spring on their CCW gun. Seriously, nobody is going to notice whether it's 3.5 or 4.5 pounds (or whatever), and nobody is going to disassemble your firearm after an incident to test the trigger spring to see whether it's stock or not. If it ever happened, it could happen in a product liability case in which there is an alleged defect in the gun. Modifying the trigger spring to be extra light is a 1 out of 10 on the scale of firearms-related wrongdoing; the justice system has much bigger things to deal with than whether your CCW gun is unmodified. A use of force incident involving a CCW is already rare, which means an enforcement issue on legal components would be exceptionally rare, if it ever happened. Keep the components legal in California, that's the only legitimate restriction and many agencies understandably have that in their policies. Everything about modifications is CYA from the issuing agency-- don't forget that there is a clause in your application that you will defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the issuing agency in the event someone sues them over your use of the CCW. So it makes sense they would state they prohibit modifications in order to give them yet another out on suits against the county for negligent issuance of a CCW or whatever some lunatic criminal will claim if you shoot them in self-defense. Sorry for the excess passion, I just dislike dumb policies and I don't think people should have to follow other than the actual law or regulations. The discretion of the local agency is limited, which is sure to be tested in court at some point whenever the first person to try it does a writ of mandate to get these turkeys to fully comply with the law.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

100% Fuddlore. Some folks give too much credit to law enforcement without realizing the cost in manpower, court time, attorney time, expert time and costs, and whatever else it would take to actually get someone in trouble for modifying the trigger spring on their CCW gun. Seriously, nobody is going to notice whether it's 3.5 or 4.5 pounds (or whatever), and nobody is going to disassemble your firearm after an incident to test the trigger spring to see whether it's stock or not. If it ever happened, it could happen in a product liability case in which there is an alleged defect in the gun. Modifying the trigger spring to be extra light is a 1 out of 10 on the scale of firearms-related wrongdoing; the justice system has much bigger things to deal with than whether your CCW gun is unmodified. A use of force incident involving a CCW is already rare, which means an enforcement issue on legal components would be exceptionally rare, if it ever happened. Keep the components legal in California, that's the only legitimate restriction and many agencies understandably have that in their policies. Everything about modifications is CYA from the issuing agency-- don't forget that there is a clause in your application that you will defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the issuing agency in the event someone sues them over your use of the CCW. So it makes sense they would state they prohibit modifications in order to give them yet another out on suits against the county for negligent issuance of a CCW or whatever some lunatic criminal will claim if you shoot them in self-defense. Sorry for the excess passion, I just dislike dumb policies and I don't think people should have to follow other than the actual law or regulations. The discretion of the local agency is limited, which is sure to be tested in court at some point whenever the first person to try it does a writ of mandate to get these turkeys to fully comply with the law.

I would guess the IA policies are just that: policies and nothing more. And the power they have to to revoke the permit, but they couldn't do it after the fact and say you were de facto un-permitted to carry. Some of them restrict red dots though which is insane. It's obviously completely possible to shoot irons well but people pick up dots so much faster. It's almost a liability not to have a dot (almost, not really.)

 

[sonofeugene]

My view is that if it goes bang when you want it to and it doesn’t go bang when you don’t want it to, you should be able to use it. But because there are so many parts available and so many people who only think they are skilled enough to make modifications, most agencies will say no to modifications that affect gun operation.

 

[Mongo]

I think I have a good understanding now… I thank each and everyone of you for expressing your views and your understanding…. I consider myself very blessed in having a resource and access to caguns.net and the community that serves here…..
God is great