Stuck baseplate

[chino1966]

got a TTI baseplate that won't budge on this checkmate 2011 mag. Removed the one from the other mag no issue this one is just stuck. Wd-40 and a rubber mallet haven't made it budge an inch. What do I do. Do I take it to a smith and have them use a press to brute force it off. Does anyone know any good gunsmiths or something have a press willing to do this in the Pasadena-burbank-glendale area? Appreciate it yall

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

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got a TTI baseplate that won't budge on this checkmate 2011 mag. Removed the one from the other mag no issue this one is just stuck. Wd-40 and a rubber mallet haven't made it budge an inch. What do I do. Do I take it to a smith and have them use a press to brute force it off. Does anyone know any good gunsmiths or something have a press willing to do this in the Pasadena-burbank-glendale area? Appreciate it yall

Are there any possible adhesives that you would need to worry about? If so, how about a hair dryer?

Rubber mallet or dead blow? Rubber mallet don’t really give much give; a nylon Mallot gives more punch when doing punches on roll pins but you might risk denting for your mag. The dead blow has sand inside to help with more give.

Brute force it off might end up damaging the mag; no?

 

[chino1966]

Are there any possible adhesives that you would need to worry about? If so, how about a hair dryer?

no adhesives that I know of, it wiggles but I think its just the metal lip and the baseplate side grooves having tight tolerances. would use a hair dryer to heat the baseplate up help

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I don’t own this mag, but is there a spring plate that needs to be pushed down before removing the actual base plate? Show a pic of the underside of the base plate? Is there a small round hole that could be depressed somewhere to relieve the mag base plate of some tension from the magazine spring?

 

[chino1966]

I don’t own this mag, but is there a spring plate that needs to be pushed down before removing the actual base plate? Show a pic of the underside of the base plate? Is there a small round hole that could be depressed somewhere to relieve the mag base plate of some tension?

nope, totally flat. I removed one baseplate earlier on a different mag just this one is causing trouble. Guess I need a press or something like that?

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

nope, totally flat. I removed one baseplate earlier on a different mag just this one is causing trouble. Guess I need a press or something like that?

Any nipples anywhere? The videos I’m seeing for checkmate 1911 or 2011 mags have nipples on the front of the mag that can be depressed somewhere to relieve some tension off the base plate.

I don’t own this mag but I don’t think a magazine would need a press to disassemble.

Look around from and back of the mag looking for indicators of a possible spot to relieve baseplate of tension?

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

nope, totally flat. I removed one baseplate earlier on a different mag just this one is causing trouble. Guess I need a press or something like that?

Found this online when looking up your question and checkmate mags “Haven't had Checkmate mags specifically undergo rapid unscheduled disassembly, but when that happens the fix is to replace the base plates. Lots of companies make a style with a retaining pin (Atlas, Taran, MBX) that work well. The Dawson angled plates have worked well for me in the past.”

Look for a retaining pin? Or find the nipple? We need milk? Help me find the milk?

 

[chino1966]

Any nipples anywhere? The videos I’m seeing for checkmate 1911 or 2011 mags have nipples on the front of the mag that can be depressed somewhere to relieve some tension off the base plate.

I don’t own this mag but I don’t think a magazine would need a press to disassemble.

Look around from and back of the mag looking for indicators of a possible spot to relieve baseplate of tension?

its the taran tactical basepad im trying to get off haha. Theres a push pin in the front but I removed that so I think its just tight tolerances so need to find myself a press or something like that.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

its the taran tactical basepad im trying to get off haha. Theres a push pin in the front but I removed that so I think its just tight tolerances so need to find myself a press or something like that.

Is the other magazines baseplate the same? If it’s tti, I’m guessing the baseplate is aluminum? If so, then maybe a hair dryer won’t work since it’s not polymer; but might not hurt to give it a try. I don’t think you need a press for a magazine baseplate. Most baseplates shouldn’t require a PRESS to diassemble. Should just be hand tools? Even greasey gun mags or Krissy mags only take one flat head screw driver or two flat head screwdrivers to disassemble since they don’t have nipples; totally different mags but you get the point.

Do you have a nylon mallet? Wrap the nylon mallet in a microfiber towel, cotton towel, or old t shirt; wrap it up thick to help with cushioning for dents, scratches, and dings. Tape some blue masking tape on the base pad for scratch resistance and lightly tap after heating up lightly with a hair dryer (but without the masking tape yet so you don’t need to clean up heated up adhesive residues)?

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Are there any possible adhesives that you would need to worry about? If so, how about a hair dryer?

Rubber mallet or dead blow? Rubber mallet don’t really give much give; a nylon Mallot gives more punch when doing punches on roll pins but you might risk denting for your mag. The dead blow has sand inside to help with more give.

Brute force it off might end up damaging the mag; no?

Maybe heat with a hair dryer which would be safer than heating with an actual heat gun; just in case there is adhesives you don’t know of. If there isn’t any polymer you shouldn’t risk burning or melting anything; especially since you are not using a heat gun.

 

[SES07]

If you can get just the metal mag part cold it will shrink. That could do the trick.

 

[GoldensRule]

got a TTI baseplate that won't budge on this checkmate 2011 mag. Removed the one from the other mag no issue this one is just stuck. Wd-40 and a rubber mallet haven't made it budge an inch. What do I do. Do I take it to a smith and have them use a press to brute force it off. Does anyone know any good gunsmiths or something have a press willing to do this in the Pasadena-burbank-glendale area? Appreciate it yall

The counterintuitive approach, go through the process of installing instead of removing it. Frequently that will free up the parts allowing you to remove it.

 

[chino1966]

If you can get just the metal mag part cold it will shrink. That could do the trick.

I'll try that, ill figure out a way to get the mag cold maybe ice blocks or something like that

 

[chino1966]

The counterintuitive approach, go through the process of installing instead of removing it. Frequently that will free up the parts allowing you to remove it.

sadly I only have like .5mm of movement so its just wiggling it and hoping itll move

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I'll try that, ill figure out a way to get the mag cold maybe ice blocks or something like that

Sometimes people who have had issues with removing stuck iron sights on pistol slides that have been heat pressed in from the factory (Springfield armory XD’s are a good example, this method has been brought up in forums for XD’s); will put the whole slide in the freezer.

My NC star sight pusher wouldn’t give in when trying to remove the Oem rear sights even when using a socket with a ratchet; didn’t try breaker bar. But usually when installing Glock sights rotating by hand was enough. I was able to remove the front sights but could not install the front because the sight pusher slide clamp jig inserts didn’t grip on the slide the correct way of being balanced and centered, causing the trijicon front sight to bend at an angle when installing. Ended up needing to warranty claim the front sight. Thank goodness, they were willing to replace for me.

The Springfield xd slide, I’ve even had a shop refuse to remove and install new sights for me because it’s pain to work with; plus I didn’t want the hammer and punch method. I ended up shipping it out of state to someone who is known for working on XD sights; they have the old school discontinued (fisher?) sight pusher that is known to be compatible with the slide.

Wrap it up in paper towels or just place directly in a ziploc bag. When everything is all done; don’t forget to oil the steel components as it’s technically been exposed to moisture.

 

[chino1966]

Sometimes people who have had issues with removing stuck iron sights on pistol slides that have been heat pressed in from the factory (Springfield armory XD’s are a good example, this method has been brought up in forums for XD’s); will put the whole slide in the freezer.

My NC star sight pusher wouldn’t give in when trying to remove the Oem rear sights even when using a socket with a ratchet; didn’t try breaker bar. But usually when installing Glock sights rotating by hand was enough. I was able to remove the front sights but could not install the front because the sight pusher slide clamp jig inserts didn’t grip on the slide the correct way of being balanced and centered, causing the trijicon front sight to bend at an angle when installing. Ended up needing to warranty claim the front sight. Thank goodness, they were willing to replace for me.

The Springfield xd slide, I’ve even had a shop refuse to remove and install new sights for me because it’s pain to work with; plus I didn’t want the hammer and punch method. I ended up shipping it out of state to someone who is known for working on XD sights; they have the old school discontinued (fisher?) sight pusher that is known to be compatible with the slide.

Wrap it up in paper towels or just place directly in a ziploc bag. When everything is all done; don’t forget to oil the steel components as it’s technically been exposed to moisture.

appreciate all this help! it ended up being an issue with the mag block being stuck to the baseplate so had to take it to a shop to get it removed.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

appreciate all this help! it ended up being an issue with the mag block being stuck to the baseplate so had to take it to a shop to get it removed.

So was it an adhesive issue? You could probably could done that with the hairdryer for free.

 

[AR15barrels]

So was it an adhesive issue? You could probably could done that with the hairdryer for free.

There was no adhesive in the mag body or baseplate.

There was an orange insert that the magazine spring pushes down into the pocket in the baseplate.
Many factory mags assemble this way but they have a hole in the bottom of the baseplate so you can push the internal retainer up to let the baseplate slide off the mag.
The TTI baseplate does not have a hole so it's not compatible with the retainer that was sitting under the magazine spring.
Without an access hole, there was no way to get the internal retainer up into the magazine body to let the baseplate slide off.

The ultimate solution was to cut a slot in the middle of the follower and then break the follower into pieces and extract it through the small end of the magazine body.
Then the magazine spring was pulled out through the small end of the magazine body.
With the spring out of the way, I used a wire hook to pull the internal retainer up into the magazine body and the baseplate came right off easily.
This was an assembly of parts that were not compatible or perhaps designed specifically to never come apart.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

There was no adhesive in the mag body or baseplate.

There was an orange insert that the magazine spring pushes down into the pocket in the baseplate.
Many factory mags assemble this way but they have a hole in the bottom of the baseplate so you can push the internal retainer up to let the baseplate slide off the mag.
The TTI baseplate does not have a hole so it's not compatible with the retainer that was sitting under the magazine spring.
Without an access hole, there was no way to get the internal retainer up into the magazine body to let the baseplate slide off.

The ultimate solution was to cut a slot in the middle of the follower and then break the follower into pieces and extract it through the small end of the magazine body.
Then the magazine spring was pulled out through the small end of the magazine body.
With the spring out of the way, I used a wire hook to pull the internal retainer up into the magazine body and the baseplate came right off easily.
This was an assembly of parts that were not compatible or perhaps designed specifically to never come apart.

Lord heavens, sounds like parts need repRacing now.

 

[AR15barrels]

Lord heavens, sounds like parts need repRacing now.

Yes.
A follower and a spring.
The two least expensive parts of a 2011 mag.