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Take a left-leaning Bay Area newbie shooting?

aalad

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Hey everyone,

I migrated here from Calguns while it's down for maintenance. Over there, I had posted a thread right before maintenance asking if anyone might be willing to take me shooting with them.

I'm:
- Born in Canada, recently graduated
- Have my Canadian gun license, but never got to use it since I left for a job down here in California
- Cannot own guns, since I'm on a visa here
- A bit anti-gun myself, but open minded. I intended on shooting in Canada before I left, but never got the chance to.

As a part of the licensing course, we never worked with live ammunition, and I've forgotten most of how to use guns. So I'd really like to learn the ropes again for both handguns and rifles.

Please feel free to DM me!
Thanks,
alad
 
Random question but what visa are you on. If you’ve been granted an I-94 number you’re allowed to buy firearms.

You can check this via USCIS.gov for a copy of the I-94.

+Drivers License
+FSC
+Hunting license ( non immigrant exemption assuming you don’t have a green card)
+I-94, I-979 A or I-797 with extension letter if expired, or EAD ( the uscis number on EAD is the same as your alien number)
+ second proof of address, some shops might ask for one.


As a non immigrant I think federally based on your exemption you’re only allowed to use you firearms for hunting and sporting use. If asked just answer hunting. Even if it’s a pistol, you can hunt small critters with pistol (eg. snake shot). Same goes for ar-15, you’re hunting boars.
 
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Wait really? I'm on an H1-B. Everywhere I've looked says I can't, unless I have residency (I'm assuming permanent, i.e. Green Card).

I have, however, heard that I can purchase firearms if I maintain a hunting license: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/val...irearms-prohibitions-nonimmigrant-aliens-only
As long as you’re in the country legally with documents you can buy gun.

As a student you’re typically on a (passport + visa) your I-94 should have been granted at custom on your initial entry. It can be in the passport around where your visa is located on a square paper which should look like this. That information can also be found here. A gun store will take a copy of the passport version or a printed version from the us custom website.


Once you obtain a hunting license you can buy whatever gun you want. If I’m correct you should purchase with the intention of hunting or competitive shooting. But no one gives a 💩 because i don’t.


Main thing is that when leaving the county you must dispose of them properly. Such as giving to someone for safe keeping until you return, relinquishing to law enforcement, or selling.


-State DL/ID

-Hunting License (you’re buying a gun to hunt)

-Firearm Safety Certificate

-I-94 ( bring passport as backup but you don’t need it. I-94 can be located inside passport or on the customs website)

-Second proof of address if needed


Any specific question go ahead and ask high chance I’ll have an answer.
 
Lots of confusion in the area.

In general, if you are a non-resident (not a US citizen nor a permanent resident = green card), federal law makes things hard. Here's the relevant law: 18USC922(g)(5): It shall be unlawful for any person ... who, being an alien (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) ... has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, ... to ... possess ..., any firearm or ammunition. The really important part is the word "possess" here. It does not mean to own, it means to hold in your hand or to control. So if you are prohibited, you are not just prohibited from owning or receiving a gun, you can't hold it. Not even in a training class. So far, so bad.

You are on an H class visa. That is a non-immigrant visa. Done, you're out. This sounds like awful news. Note that an I-94 does not help at all; it is about the non-immigrant visa status.

BUT: The important part is what I left out, namely the first "..." after the letter (B), which is exceptions listed in 922(y)(2): Subsections ... do not apply to any alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, if that alien is ... in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States.

So here is what you have to do before you can legally use guns: Get a hunting license. Which is not trivial; last I looked, it was a weekend-long class, and it takes several hundred $. Note that there is not a catch 22: to get a hunting license, you do not have to use guns to demonstrate proficiency with guns first. And once you have a hunting license, the exemption applies to everything, rifles, shotguns, pistols, even just plinking and target practice.

Now, is this restriction really enforced? Some ranges enforce it; others are happy to check your driver's license and rent you a gun and sell you ammo. If you were to go shooting with friends at their backyard range (borrowing their guns), and a sheriff came by, they would probably not blink an eye, in particular since you speak good English (perhaps with an amusing Canadian accent, eh). Local (state) law enforcement typically doesn't see it as their job to enforce federal law. But it is still a massive risk, since if you DO get hooked up, it's a federal felony, and you can kiss gun rights in the US good bye for life (and your visa probably too). So step 1: GET A HUNTING LICENSE. Yes, I'm meaning to shout.

Once you have that, take whatever training class you want. Go to a range and rent guns. They may still refuse you (because they are dumb), but legally you can. Buy yourself a gun, or 10 or 20. Shoot as many rounds as your paycheck allows, and stockpile tons of ammo in your tiny Bay Area apartment. Yes, you can own guns once you have a hunting license, just like gringos and green card people can.

And since I'm such a Debbie Downer today, a few more warnings. Do not let your hunting license expire if you own a gun! Renew it religiously before the expiration date. Otherwise, instant felon. And the nasty warning: A few months ago, some court (I think in Arizona) said that obtaining a hunting license just for the shooting hobby without any intent to hunt does not fulfill the requirements of the law. I think that judge is blatantly wrong (what part of the black letter of the law don't they understand?), but that's out there. Fortunately, you can relatively easily hunt. Come to my house, I'll lend you a rifle suitable for Coyote (a 223), and let you stomp around in our back 40 for a few hours. You might actually see a coyote (they are not that rare). If you do, feel free to aim and shoot. You will probably miss. Should you hit (by mistake?), we'll have to spend half hour burying the carcass (a tractor will make quick work of that); that would be disgusting. Coyote season is all year long, and 223 is a fine caliber for them. Just because you are a bad hunter doesn't mean you didn't intend to hunt. That little performance should be enough to shut up that silly judge or any imitators.

Hope this helps!
 
@OP: my advice is that is *not* worth to risk having legal problems in the USA if you are under a H1B visa, specially related to firearms.

You mentioned that you are Canadian, a greencard application if sponsored by your employer shouldn't take longer than 1 1/2 year under the *current* administration.

Obviously, under the *previous* administration it was taking 2 1/2 years to near 3 years as they clogged the immigration processes on purpose.

Now, if you were Indian or Mexican, that could take 20 to 25 years (no joking!) for a greencard application be completed due to country quotas.

My advice if you intend to make the USA your new home: *wait* a bit for the greencard *before* buying guns. And *after* having a greencard, buy as many guns are you want or your money can afford.

Meanwhile, make friends with either a permanent resident or a citizen that has guns so you two can go to the range and have fun shooting.

If you are not crazy/depressed/drunk, have references (i.e. linkedin) and are willing to pay for the ammo, feel free to send a pvt message to me so we can arrange a visit to a local range in the SF Bay Area.

The more 'leftys' we get engaged in the 2A, the better for all of us living in Cali.
 
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Hey everyone,

I migrated here from Calguns while it's down for maintenance. Over there, I had posted a thread right before maintenance asking if anyone might be willing to take me shooting with them.

I'm:
- Born in Canada, recently graduated
- Have my Canadian gun license, but never got to use it since I left for a job down here in California
- Cannot own guns, since I'm on a visa here
- A bit anti-gun myself, but open minded. I intended on shooting in Canada before I left, but never got the chance to.

As a part of the licensing course, we never worked with live ammunition, and I've forgotten most of how to use guns. So I'd really like to learn the ropes again for both handguns and rifles.

Please feel free to DM me!
Thanks,
alad
I’m down in the South Bay and would love to take your shooting! I mostly participate in sporting clays and handguns, but I do own rifles.
 
@OP: my advice is that is *not* worth to risk having legal problems in the USA if you are under a H1B visa, specially related to firearms.
With a hunting license, guns stop being a legal problem. Unless one lets the hunting license expire.

The more 'leftys' we get engaged in the 2A, the better for all of us living in Cali.
Absolutely! The more PEOPLE we get engaged in guns and the shooting hobby, the better. Given that about 2/3 of Californians are leftys (isn't it spelled "leftie", pronounced "libtard" by some, just kidding), that's the group we need to get work on most urgently.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys! I really appreciate it - I could not find this level of detail anywhere else online.
My first step will be to obtain a hunting licence!
 
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