270 Winchester vs 6.5 Creedmore for 1000 yards

[1slik37]

Which is the better option

 

[tedster]

I always wanted to shoot a .270 round. Being a short action guy, I would opt for the Creedmore.
In the end I'll stick with .308. It's just a real darling of a round.

 

[NATEWA]

6.5 Creedmoor vs. .270 Winchester

Separated by only 0.013 inches of bullet diameter, the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .270 Winchester make an obvious Caliber Battle matchup. Both are used widely by hunters from Alaska to Alabama, both throw similarly weighted bullets traveling similar velocities, and both are chambered in a variety of...

www.themeateater.com

Good article - compares the two rounds for hunting purposes.

 

[1slik37]

6.5 Creedmoor vs. .270 Winchester

Separated by only 0.013 inches of bullet diameter, the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .270 Winchester make an obvious Caliber Battle matchup. Both are used widely by hunters from Alaska to Alabama, both throw similarly weighted bullets traveling similar velocities, and both are chambered in a variety of...

www.themeateater.com

Good article - compares the two rounds for hunting purposes.

I saw a few articles about the rounds for hunting. I got that 270 is just a wee bit better for hunting. I use a 30-06 for hunting. I want a precision rifle for 1000 yards. Just wasn't sure which to go with

 

[1slik37]

I always wanted to shoot a .270 round. Being a short action guy, I would opt for the Creedmore.
In the end I'll stick with .308. It's just a real darling of a round.

I have a 308 Ar.10 I want to reach out to 1000 yards I'm sure it's more than capable but I have heard the Creedmore shoots flatter and it's great for 1000 yards

 

[tedster]

From what the long range shooting folks are talking, the Creedmore may have an advantage.
The shooters I know, which is maybe 1/2 dozen, they hand load their rounds anyways.
Even for mid range service rifle, they spend an entire lunch talking about bullets, weights, powder etc.
But, the Creedmore is certainly still 'hip' for mid- to long range shooting.
Some even go with 6 mm rounds, BR Norma or other custom rounds.

 

[eeediot]

6.5 CM.

A .270 has the following weaknesses to deal with that make it a bad idea:

• Far fewer suitable choices for high BC bullets
• Factory guns aren't twisted fast enough to shoot those heavy for caliber high BC projectiles so you need a custom barrel
• Factory ammo isn't available for those heavy projectiles so your going to have to reload and have no real option for factory ammo
• Much higher recoil than 6.5 CM
• Much shorter barrel life

 

[nvcnvc]

What exactly is your intended purpose? general plinking on steel, PRS/NRL comp, Fclass comp?
For each, there would be different recommendations. If you provide more info, we can suggest a few suitable cartridges.

However, a 270 would not be ideal for either of the above. It would be a heck of hunting round though, albeit not at 1000 yards.

 

[1slik37]

What exactly is your intended purpose? general plinking on steel, PRS/NRL comp, Fclass comp?
For each, there would be different recommendations. If you provide more info, we can suggest a few suitable cartridges.

However, a 270 would not be ideal for either of the above. It would be a heck of hunting round though, albeit not at 1000 yards.

This is for a PRS build. And shooting at Steel to 1000 yards. I use 30-06 for hunting

 

[Warpspeed]

I saw a few articles about the rounds for hunting. I got that 270 is just a wee bit better for hunting. I use a 30-06 for hunting. I want a precision rifle for 1000 yards. Just wasn't sure which to go with

This is for a PRS build. And shooting at Steel to 1000 yards. I use 30-06 for hunting

So you really want to look at cartridges that are designed to be magazine fed and have a projectile selection that maximizes the BC while staying under the speed limit PRS has.

I'd say look at the 6mm variants like 6GT. 6CM is fine and will work but if you are going to be starting with a new cartridge why not get the best one for that use?

 

[nvcnvc]

6 Dasher and 6 BRA are also very popular in the PRS circuit. Any 6BR variant is good really. But you need to reload for them. A 6.5 creed will definitely do the job. mild recall (especially with a brake), great barrel life, and lots of match ammo of the self if you dont want to reload. I think a recent AG cup winner won with a 6.5 creed.

 

[wtf_calguns_migration]

6.5 CM.

A .270 has the following weaknesses to deal with that make it a bad idea:

• Far fewer suitable choices for high BC bullets
• Factory guns aren't twisted fast enough to shoot those heavy for caliber high BC projectiles so you need a custom barrel
• Factory ammo isn't available for those heavy projectiles so your going to have to reload and have no real option for factory ammo
• Much higher recoil than 6.5 CM
• Much shorter barrel life

Which is why people looked for "shot out" or abandoned caliber prefit compatible actions.

See a cheap prefit barrel and action length+ bolt face. Immediately hit up that long range board listing for a fancy caliber setup someone is done with.

I never got into PRS. I know plenty of people that have gone down mag tuning and calibers with very narrow tune windows. Performance and shot to shot stability can be an expensive game.

Me, I'll grab a magnum setup when Fclass figures out its next gotta have super science whiz bang load. Brute force and casual recreational requirements are much cheaper. Way less fixation and frustration on rifle tune and load prep. Buy someone else's .25-.5 moa chase bc I'm just punching paper and steel casually off the clock.

 

[Makoman]

I owned both, as I hunt as well. I got rid of the .270 and kept the 6.5CM as if takes care of all of my hunting needs. You'll be able to make 1000 yard shots with both, but in my experience, those shots are easier with the CM. I've never shot PRS, but since precision is key, I'd go with the CM since it has a better twist rate.

 

[wtf_calguns_migration]

I owned both, as I hunt as well. I got rid of the .270 and kept the 6.5CM as if takes care of all of my hunting needs. You'll be able to make 1000 yard shots with both, but in my experience, those shots are easier with the CM. I've never shot PRS, but since precision is key, I'd go with the CM since it has a better twist rate.

The trick is for the OP to separate tasks so theyre not fully lost when they hit that eventual goal of 1000yd + prs.
There is so much there to have dialed in.

Theres reloading, keeping a rifle in tune, reading wind, odd positional shooting, rifle setup for a specific ruleset.

 

[Makoman]

The trick is for the OP to separate tasks so theyre not fully lost when they hit that eventual goal of 1000yd + prs.
There is so much there to have dialed in.

Theres reloading, keeping a rifle in tune, reading wind, odd positional shooting, rifle setup for a specific ruleset.

Agreed. I don't know much about PRS, but keeping a rifle in tune, reading wind, odd positional shooting etc. is something we do pretty regularly as hunters, so hopefully this gives him a leg up in reaching his goals much sooner.

 

[wtf_calguns_migration]

Agreed. I don't know much about PRS, but keeping a rifle in tune, reading wind, odd positional shooting etc. is something we do pretty regularly as hunters, so hopefully this gives him a leg up in reaching his goals much sooner.

Thats why 1000yds is such an odd goal to add to PRS.
Hunters know that point blank envelope a given caliber + rifle performs in.
If im on 600yd steel, im overpowering it with a 308 to get a feel for how the wind is progressing out to 1000yds.

I know how various 308 loads perform in wind in a single rifle.
I know when that rifle needs a cleaning or check my torque values.
Go on to chamber & muzzle erosion gauge so I understand how many shots of a specific load I have until a reroll of my load.

Barrels are a wear item, its the state of the system over how many rounds that is important info.
All that data allows you to focus on wind as the factor making you chase all over the place.
Spend a bunch of days and ammo figuring places out.
Then find a new place and refine your understanding of the wind.

I know my optics and holds, that can be an additional amount of Murphys law.

 

[Makoman]

Barrels are a wear item, its the state of the system over how many rounds that is important info.

This is something I hadn't considered. Just how often are you replacing barrels? As a hunter, you typically sight in your rifle pre-season. Maybe take a couple more shots after that to confirm your zero. Maybe a couple more for fun, then that one shot (hopefully only one) to take down whatever your hunting.

 

[wtf_calguns_migration]

This is something I hadn't considered. Just how often are you replacing barrels? As a hunter, you typically sight in your rifle pre-season. Maybe take a couple more shots after that to confirm your zero. Maybe a couple more for fun, then that one shot (hopefully only one) to take down whatever your hunting.

This is where it gets sticky.

A hunter may shoot what I would have considered a decade of logged shots that I wouldn't think twice about firing in a single 5-600yd all day session.

Depending on caliber, particulars of the shooters setup, etc etc etc that $ has to be thrown at the problem the variability of tune is data that you cannot build out blind.

I'll assume we have all run into barrels that shot in an extreme condition. That means perfectly clean or 300+ shots and the fliers go away. The gun is settled until the barrel reaches a condition in which it needs to be set back to optimal.

We can essentially fixture a barreled action into a chassis. How that affects your shots from optimal to reset window needs to be understood.

This is why a trainer rifle in 308/7.62x51 is a good idea. Could also build in 223/5.56.

If you have significant data gaps or skill gaps like reloading, individual skill for distance, wind reading, etc etc etc it becomes harder to correct conditions at the range.

My beginning of a reason to replace a barrel is when factually I am WAY statistically off a 1000yd ipsc steel. Confirmation is when I drop down to 5-600yds and you do not regain your performance. I am not that picky, I will shoot a setup into 3moa and be fine with it. More opportunity to learn to adapt whatever I need to adapt for "midrange".

I have been off a 308/7.62x51 rifle with a 8-15k shot runway, and shooting calibers where the window was 2k rds until I could not compensate for erosion/wear variability. For me that isn't that many days to bandaid a setup before I have to refresh the system and start all over again.