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5th Circuit finds the ban on direct interstate sale of handguns unconstitutional.

It's hard to see how the wife in this scenario wouldn't be the importer:

27585.

(a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that the person purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015
there are exceptions to the law:

27585. (a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that the person purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless the person first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.



(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:


(14) The importation, transportation, or bringing of a firearm into the state by a person who meets any of the following criteria:

(A) The person is listed in the registry set forth in Section 11106 as the owner of the firearm.
 
It's hard to see how the wife in this scenario wouldn't be the importer:

27585.

(a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that the person purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015
They are relying on (14)(A)


(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:

...

(14) The importation, transportation, or bringing of a firearm into the state by a person who meets any of the following criteria:

(A) The person is listed in the registry set forth in Section 11106 as the owner of the firearm.

So I think the theory grants the fact that the wife would be the importer but she would be exempt from the 27585 if she becomes the owner before the gun enters california and she submits the form on CFARS.
 
If both you and your spouse are CA residents, the Texas dealer will not sell to an outside state resident.

I left the same comment on that reddit thread. I wonder how many down votes I'll get.
There's no reason they legally can't now because of this court ruling. That's literally the point dude
 
Another thing is that you can import if complying with section 27560, the section on personal import of firearms generally https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-27560/

In theory as long as you register within 60 days you’d be compliant. I wouldn’t do this though since they ask “Date of acquisition” and this seems likely to raise issues. If you spousal transfer you can list the date of acquisition as the date you gave it to your spouse without perjuring yourself.
 
It's hard to see how the wife in this scenario wouldn't be the importer:

27585.

(a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that the person purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015
yes but that's why it's crazy

Does not apply to:
(14) The importation, transportation, or bringing of a firearm into the state by a person who meets any of the following criteria:

(A) The person is listed in the registry set forth in Section 11106 as the owner of the firearm.

PC § 27585(a) is the rule requiring a California resident who acquires a firearm outside California to route it through a California dealer before bringing it back. But subsection (b)(14) expressly says that rule “does not apply” when the person bringing the firearm into California is already listed in the § 11106 registry as its owner. The statute separately recognizes DOJ documentation, a DROS showing ownership, or even a California carry license listing that handgun as alternative ways to satisfy (14). LegiInfo

And § 11106 confirms that DOJ's registry is built from DROS records plus various reports submitted under California firearm statutes, including operation-of-law and intrafamilial reports. LegiInfo

So, stripped down:

If you are already listed in AFS/§11106 as the owner of that exact firearm before you bring it into California, §27585(a) does not apply to that importation. That is what the statute says. LegiInfo

The real legal bottleneck therefore isn't §27585 anymore. It's: how do you lawfully get yourself listed as the owner while the firearm is still outside California?

That is why the spouse theory is interesting. California specifically treats a transmutation of firearm ownership between spouses under Family Code §850 as taking title “by operation of law,” and §27920 provides a DOJ reporting mechanism for those operation-of-law acquisitions. LegiInfo Once DOJ actually processes that report, §11106 says those reports become part of the registry. LegiInfo

That produces a statutory sequence that is difficult to dismiss:

lawful out-of-state acquisition → lawful operation-of-law transfer → DOJ report → recipient listed in AFS as owner → §27585(b)(14)(A) → California's §27585 import requirement no longer applies.

The caveat is exactly what §27585(c) says: the section is cumulative and doesn't override other laws. LegiInfo So satisfying (b)(14)(A) doesn't magically erase assault-weapon restrictions, prohibited-person laws, federal law, etc.

And federal law remains the awkward part. The text of 18 USC §922(a)(3) still says a nonlicensee generally may not transport into their state of residence a firearm they obtained outside that state. Legal Information Institute The new Fifth Circuit decision attacks that prohibition, but how that ruling is applied to a California resident physically bringing the gun into Ninth Circuit territory is exactly where I would want a firearms attorney or subsequent court guidance before treating the route as settled.

But strictly on your quoted California provision: yes, you're reading it correctly. If AFS already shows you as the owner, §27585 itself gives you an express importation exception. That's a much more consequential provision in light of yesterday's ruling than it was 48 hours ago.
 
idk dude the more I think about it the more I feel like the operation of law path is the only realistic way to do this somewhat legally.

The operation of law path is trying to engineer a way to legally import the gun such that 14(a) applies.

The pawn shop route is admitting that the original importation was illegal and is trying to obfuscate that fact by figuring out how to not report the date of importation.

Both paths technically get you onto AFS. It's just that only one of these complies with 27585 (at least somewhat)
I have imported a gun purchased outside of California after 2015: it was legal because I filed the personal import forms to get it into AFS.

The law explicitly allows you to import if you follow the rules on getting it into AFS. If you bring it into the state you can file the personal import forms or transfer to a dealer (such as a pawnbroker who can transfer back): https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-27560/
 
I have imported a gun purchased outside of California after 2015: it was legal because I filed the personal import forms to get it into AFS.

The law explicitly allows you to import if you follow the rules on getting it into AFS. If you bring it into the state you can file the personal import forms or transfer to a dealer (such as a pawnbroker who can transfer back): https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-27560/
Doesn't that only apply to people moving into CA? If you are a resident its a felony
 
If the direct interstate sale of a handgun is constitutionally protected activity California will have to provide a pathway. They cannot penalize prosecute or otherwise persecute you for Constitutional activity. Any law in opposition to said activity should be ignored.
That only applies in the 5th circuit not the 9th. Scotus would need to rule on this.
 
Doesn't that only apply to people moving into CA? If you are a resident its a felony
Yes, I moved into California and I filed a new resident report. A few key things though:

- You can file the "New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership" form 50 years after becoming a CA resident. Just needs to be within 60 days of bringing the actual firearm into the state
- If you comply with PEN § 27560 you are legal and the rule doesn't say anything about being a new resident:

(a)(1) Within 60 days after bringing any firearm into this state, a personal firearm importer shall do one of the following:

(A) Submit to the Department of Justice, in a form and manner prescribed by the department, a report including information concerning that individual and a description of the firearm in question.  The department may request photographs of the firearm to determine if the firearm is a generally prohibited weapon, assault weapon, or machinegun, or is otherwise prohibited.  A person shall not furnish a fictitious name or address, knowingly furnish any incorrect information, or knowingly omit any information required to be provided in this report.

if you don't want to risk being forced to disclose you bought in another state (the form asks "Date of Acquisition"), other options exist:

(B) Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the provisions of Section 27545 or in accordance with the provisions of an exemption from Section 27545.
(C) Sell or transfer the firearm to a dealer licensed pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.
(D) Sell or transfer the firearm to a sheriff or police department.
You could PPT the gun to a friend at an FFL dealer (no real reason to do this though), or do the pawn shop trick to both transfer the firearm to a dealer and get it lawfully transferred to you in one fell swoop.

Also, another funny thing I found on a pro-gun control site on this issue: http://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/registration-in-california/
A notice must be posted conspicuously at every inspection station along the California border, in block letters not less than four inches in height, stating:
NOTICE: IF YOU ARE A CALIFORNIA RESIDENT, THE FEDERAL GUN CONTROL ACT MAY PROHIBIT YOU FROM BRINGING WITH YOU INTO THIS STATE FIREARMS THAT YOU ACQUIRED OUTSIDE OF THIS STATE. IN ADDITION, IF YOU ARE A NEW CALIFORNIA RESIDENT, STATE LAW REGULATES YOUR BRINGING INTO CALIFORNIA HANDGUNS AND OTHER DESIGNATED FIREARMS AND MANDATES THAT SPECIFIC PROCEDURES BE FOLLOWED. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCEDURES TO BE FOLLOWED IN BRINGING FIREARMS INTO CALIFORNIA OR TRANSFERRING FIREARMS WITHIN CALIFORNIA, YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OR A LOCAL CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.”
If the thing preventing you from buying a firearm in another state is the 1968 GCA, this ruling fundamentally rewrites the law at least for the acquisition part.
 
Yes, I moved into California and I filed a new resident report. A few key things though:

- You can file the "New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership" form 50 years after becoming a CA resident. Just needs to be within 60 days of bringing the actual firearm into the state
- If you comply with PEN § 27560 you are legal and the rule doesn't say anything about being a new resident:



if you don't want to risk being forced to disclose you bought in another state (the form asks "Date of Acquisition"), other options exist:


You could PPT the gun to a friend at an FFL dealer (no real reason to do this though), or do the pawn shop trick to both transfer the firearm to a dealer and get it lawfully transferred to you in one fell swoop.

Also, another funny thing I found on a pro-gun control site on this issue: http://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/registration-in-california/

If the thing preventing you from buying a firearm in another state is the 1968 GCA, this ruling fundamentally rewrites the law at least for the acquisition part.
I see what you are saying but a convoluted potential loophole doesn't necessarily prevent you from prosecution or even conviction. The law is complicated and not just a plain text reading of the penal codes. You should definitely do it and make some case law though
 
I see what you are saying but a convoluted potential loophole doesn't necessarily prevent you from prosecution or even conviction. The law is complicated and not just a plain text reading of the penal codes. You should definitely do it and make some case law though
I'm absolutely planning to at least buy several handguns (Sig Spear 11.5" 300, Staccato and Glock G6 w/Aimpoint since nobody asked) from the plaintiffs Elite Precision Customs and post a trip report. They are located 40 minutes from DFW airport. In order to comply with California law, I WILL NOT IMPORT THESE GUNS TO CALIFORNIA. I expect this to be possible in mid-Nov to early 2027 depending on whether this goes en banc or is somehow stayed.

Based on talking to a lawyer, my plan to maximally comply with California law is this: I will leave the guns in storage in Texas and file a 100% truthful "New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership" with California. When I have received approval from CA DOJ and notification that they are in AFS, I will retrieve the guns from storage and bring to California. If they say no, i'll leave them in Texas.
 
I'm absolutely planning to at least buy several handguns (Sig Spear 11.5" 300, Staccato and Glock G6 w/Aimpoint since nobody asked) from the plaintiffs Elite Precision Customs and post a trip report. They are located 40 minutes from DFW airport. In order to comply with California law, I WILL NOT IMPORT THESE GUNS TO CALIFORNIA. I expect this to be possible in mid-Nov to early 2027 depending on whether this goes en banc or is somehow stayed.

Based on talking to a lawyer, my plan to maximally comply with California law is this: I will leave the guns in storage in Texas and file a 100% truthful "New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership" with California. When I have received approval from CA DOJ and notification that they are in AFS, I will retrieve the guns from storage and bring to California. If they say no, i'll leave them in Texas.
I would definitely talk to an attorney first because there may be other sections that apply that aren't obvious. Just because they process the form doesn't mean it was legal and you couldn't be prosecuted.
 
I'm absolutely planning to at least buy several handguns (Sig Spear 11.5" 300, Staccato and Glock G6 w/Aimpoint since nobody asked) from the plaintiffs Elite Precision Customs and post a trip report. They are located 40 minutes from DFW airport. In order to comply with California law, I WILL NOT IMPORT THESE GUNS TO CALIFORNIA. I expect this to be possible in mid-Nov to early 2027 depending on whether this goes en banc or is somehow stayed.

Based on talking to a lawyer, my plan to maximally comply with California law is this: I will leave the guns in storage in Texas and file a 100% truthful "New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership" with California. When I have received approval from CA DOJ and notification that they are in AFS, I will retrieve the guns from storage and bring to California. If they say no, i'll leave them in Texas.
A lawyer you paid? Who is the lawyer that said we can do this? Assuming he is real.
 
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