Open AB-1263 - Online sale ban - I changed the title because it was too clickbaity.

[muffin_top]

No, just have to go meet at an FFL, do a bunch of paperwork, give the FFL money and then you can private party transfer the Streamlight TLR7 or Holosun EPS.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Not sure I agree - if you buy a barrel online, the seller still has to verify your ID, get your acknowledgement, and satisfy warning labeling. Then they ship to a Cali FFL for eligibility check (starting 7/1/27). I think we'll continue to see online retailers withdraw from the CA market altogether. Personally, I really don't want to have to submit my ID and personally identifying info to online retailers. How long are they going to retain it? I also can't ship to the address on my ID, because I live in the hood and my mail gets jacked literally every day. So for me, AB1263 is an E-commerce moratorium.

I guess that is true that the seller only typically verifies the FFL info and not our info, and yeah I agree that this will serve to have even more retailers just not serve us. It remains to be seen how many items this applies to though, the bill says it's the "assault weapons" components list from Section 30515 but then the parts/tools/etc used in manufacturing a firearm. But the regulations on firearm precursor parts and manufacture limit the actual firearm to the frame or receiver.

 

[treelogger]

KKM makes both of those but they are custom and take like a month, ...

When KKM says "like a month" (they actually say 5 weeks), that has been known to be an average, often exceeded for uncommon or popular models. I would like to avoid the FFL hassle.

(About the free speech aspect of the ban of CAD/CAM information):

But who's going to bring suit?

The usual suspects: CRPA, SAF, FPC. In this particular case, one would hope that the ACLU, EFF and FAC also help, since this is less of a gun control bill, and more a free speech bill.

... and yeah I agree that this will serve to have even more retailers just not serve us.

That is probably the intended side effect: chilling commerce. Whether it works depends on how quickly court cases are filed and acted on.

 

[Sloat]

So does this mark the end of this site (or at least the classified section)?

As I read it, no, we should be fine, since most of us are not firearm industry members.

(f) “Firearm industry member” shall mean a person, firm, corporation, company, partnership, society, joint stock company, or any other entity or association engaged in the manufacture, distribution, importation, marketing, wholesale sale, or retail sale of firearm-related products.

California AB1263 | 2025-2026 | Regular Session

Bill Text (2025-10-11) Firearms: ghost guns. [Chaptered by Secretary of State - Chapter 636, Statutes of 2025.]

legiscan.com

 

[star.3d]

...the bill says it's the "assault weapons" components list from Section 30515 but then the parts/tools/etc used in manufacturing a firearm.

I'm not sure I follow... AB1263 defines three (3) newly regulated components, which are:

1.) firearm barrels (this is separate from SB704) are defined in § 3700 as:
"A firearm barrel includes any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be used as a firearm barrel, or that is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as a firearm barrel once
completed, assembled, or converted. A firearm barrel may have a rifled or smooth bore."

2.) "firearm accessories", which § 3273.50 defines as:
"an attachment or device designed or adapted to be inserted into, affixed onto, or used in conjunction with a firearm that is designed, intended, or functions to
increase a firearm’s rate of fire or to increase the speed at which a person may reload a firearm or replace the magazine, or any other attachment or device
described in subdivision (a) of Section 30515 of the Penal Code that may render a firearm an assault weapon when inserted into, affixed onto, or used in
conjunction with a firearm. The term firearm accessory also includes any other device, tool, kit, part, or parts set that is clearly designed and intended for use in
manufacturing firearms."

3.) "firearm-related component", which § 3273.50 loosely defines as
"...a firearm, ammunition, a firearm precursor part, a firearm component, firearm manufacturing machine, and a firearm accessory..."

The implication is that the state can choose to regulate "fireram-related components" however it sees fit:
"A firearm industry member shall not manufacture, market, import, offer for wholesale sale, or offer for retail sale a firearm-related product that is abnormally dangerous and likely to create an unreasonable risk of harm to public health and safety in California."

 

[star.3d]

As I read it, no, we should be fine, since most of us are not firearm industry members.

Sort of - this is only one subsection.

There's at least one section I think could be relevant to sales via the classifieds. Basically... if one were willfully negligent in selling to minors (< 18yrs) or ineligible buyers, the seller could be charged.

§ 29186.
(a) It is unlawful to knowingly or willfully cause another person to engage in the unlawful manufacture of firearms, or to knowingly or willfully aid, abet, promote, or facilitate the unlawful manufacture of firearms.
(b) For the purposes of this section, the “unlawful manufacture of firearms” includes any of the following:
(1) The manufacture of a firearm by a minor, or by a person who is prohibited from owning or possessing firearms under California law.
...
(c) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

I'm not sure I follow... AB1263 defines three (3) newly regulated components, which are:

1.) firearm barrels (this is separate from SB704) are defined in § 3700 as:
"A firearm barrel includes any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be used as a firearm barrel, or that is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as a firearm barrel once
completed, assembled, or converted. A firearm barrel may have a rifled or smooth bore."

2.) "firearm accessories", which § 3273.50 defines as:
"an attachment or device designed or adapted to be inserted into, affixed onto, or used in conjunction with a firearm that is designed, intended, or functions to
increase a firearm’s rate of fire or to increase the speed at which a person may reload a firearm or replace the magazine, or any other attachment or device
described in subdivision (a) of Section 30515 of the Penal Code that may render a firearm an assault weapon when inserted into, affixed onto, or used in
conjunction with a firearm. The term firearm accessory also includes any other device, tool, kit, part, or parts set that is clearly designed and intended for use in
manufacturing firearms."

3.) "firearm-related component", which § 3273.50 loosely defines as
"...a firearm, ammunition, a firearm precursor part, a firearm component, firearm manufacturing machine, and a firearm accessory..."

The implication is that the state can choose to regulate "fireram-related components" however it sees fit:
"A firearm industry member shall not manufacture, market, import, offer for wholesale sale, or offer for retail sale a firearm-related product that is abnormally dangerous and likely to create an unreasonable risk of harm to public health and safety in California."

You are right I misread and missed the "or" part of the firearm accessories definition, I first read it as "and" meaning it had to be part of the assault weapons feature list. Ok yeah this sucks for sure.

 

[treelogger]

And the term "firearm component" includes things like metric M3 screws (used in my SIG), billets of aluminum (used in some of my AR lowers), and that infamous 1/4-28 screw that causes people to strip the pistol grip thread on their lowers, because they don't know difference between 1/4-20 and 1/4-28. Will this law ban all M3 and 1/4-28 screws (ban meaning: require an FFL to transfer them)? That would be funny. Imagine the checkout line at Home Depot if this were to happen.

So we need a lot of clarification before we go off half cocked (pun!). But for YouTube click baiting, rage and half cocked are good for revenue.

 

[Warpspeed]

And the term "firearm component" includes things like metric M3 screws (used in my SIG), billets of aluminum (used in some of my AR lowers), and that infamous 1/4-28 screw that causes people to strip the pistol grip thread on their lowers, because they don't know difference between 1/4-20 and 1/4-28. Will this law ban all M3 and 1/4-28 screws (ban meaning: require an FFL to transfer them)? That would be funny. Imagine the checkout line at Home Depot if this were to happen.

So we need a lot of clarification before we go off half cocked (pun!). But for YouTube click baiting, rage and half cocked are good for revenue.

This thing is written so poorly - W the actual F ? So it is now illegal to distribute STP files to print gun stuff ?

 

[Deleted member 16735]

This thing is written so poorly - W the actual F ? So it is now illegal to distribute STP files to print gun stuff ?

it appears that way, it makes me think back to the Anarchist's Cookbook, the pre-internet handbook that had bombmaking instructions and that kind of thing. It was long ago determined that the book was protected under the 1st amendment.

 

[DB>)>]

Sometimes a pipe, a nail and a 2x4 are just a pipe a nail and a 2x4... unless you're in KA....

 

[cali_jazz]

Is there anything in there about FFL03 exemptions?

I wondered the same since FFL-03/COE's already have the background check (thus why they can buy ammo direct). Since there's nothing that explicitly allows it in the bill, my assumption is no, FFL-03 must go through the same rigamarole as everyone else. We should lobby for an amendment

 

[cali_jazz]

To be very clear windows 11 ai provision is that you can’t turn telemetry off and in order for their ai to work they effectively have to take snapshots constantly any time you’re using the pc that include data on everything you’re doing down to the most excruciating detail.

I’m not sure what games you’re playing but man you better be making money to play them if you’re going to stomach that tradeoff.

Powershell script to remove AI from Windows 11.

Windows recall feature (snapshots) can be disabled is my understanding.

 

[star.3d]

I wondered the same since FFL-03/COE's already have the background check

There is no FFL03 exemption in either AB1263 or SB704. However, with regard to the barrel eligibility check (SB704) which comes into effect 7/1/2027 (but face-to-face FFL transfers start 1/1/26), there is a clause that exempts FFL holders, but not explicitly curio & relic collectors like the ammunition eligibility law check does. It's technically possible we could lobby for FFL03 to be specifically exempted during OAG rulemaking for this law. But would vendors honor this? Doubt it.

But when buying in person at a CA FFL, a FFL03/COE holder still has to pay a $5 fee to verify their COE... hence everyone buys out of state.

 

[star.3d]

This thing is written so poorly - W the actual F ? So it is now illegal to distribute STP files to print gun stuff ?

Yes, starting 1/1/2026. This law does not make it illegal to possess these files, however. Here are the sections [my words] and truncated (...) for clarity:

The state can bring civil suit against anyone who distributes STL files or CAD/CAM models or uses the models to print a firearm (federal definition):

§ 3273.61. (a) [the state can sue] a person who does either of the following...:
(1) Distributes ... by any means including the internet, any digital firearm manufacturing code to any other person in this state...
(2) [uses STL files to CNC or 3D print a firearm (not a "firearm accessory")], regardless of whether the act results in a conviction.

The state can bring civil suit any person/entity who hosts a website that distributes STL files or CAD/CAM models.

(f) ...a person has violated ... this section if both of the following are true:
(1) The person owns or participates in the management of an internet website or other electronic portal, database, or platform that makes digital firearm manufacturing code available for purchase, download, or other distribution to individuals in California...
(2) ... the internet website or other electronic portal, database, or platform encourages individuals who access or use the internet website or electronic portal, database, or platform to upload or disseminate digital firearm manufacturing code or to use digital firearm manufacturing code to manufacture firearms, firearm accessories, or other devices described in subdivision (a) of Section 3273.60.

Inidividuals can be sued for damages if they distribute or use STL/CAD/CAM files to print/CNC a firearm that results in injury or property damage in California.

(b) (1) In awarding compensatory damages ... a court shall hold a person ... strictly liable for any personal injury or property damage inflicted by the use of a firearm or other device that was unlawfully manufactured or produced...

The state can bring criminal charges against anyone who helps someone 3D print/CNC a firearm.

§ 29186 (a) It is unlawful to knowingly or willfully cause another person to engage in the unlawful manufacture of firearms...
(b) .... this ... includes any of the following:
...
(3) The manufacture of any firearm using a three-dimensional printer or computer numerical control (CNC) milling machine by an individual who is not licensed...

 

[shroom]

There is no FFL03 exemption in SB704.

Isn't there?

The following are exempt from the process outlined in this section

Sales or transfers to a federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being loaned the barrel of a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant to Section 26710

 

[Joker67]

So no more Cajun Gun Works Pro packages? No more Apex triggers for Glocks ? I wanted to buy a complete AR upper before the July 1 ban. Is that moot come Jan 1? Definitely getting a Geiselle trigger during the Xmas sale. I’m spending a 3 year gun budget in one year. I have double spare parts of all CZ75 component. Do I need to stock up on more springs, barrel bushings etc?

 

[cali_jazz]

Isn't there?

The following are exempt from the process outlined in this section

Sales or transfers to a federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being loaned the barrel of a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant to Section 26710

Only if purchasing the barrel of a firearm that is a curio or relic, otherwise no exemption

Makes no sense since FFL-03/COE are already background checked which is why they can buy ammo direct. Oversight or intentional slight?

 

[shroom]

CA laws don't need to make sense, they just need to bust the balls of gun owners to discourage ownership.

 

[Sparrow Dynamics]

I'm not sure I follow... AB1263 defines three (3) newly regulated components, which are:

1.) firearm barrels (this is separate from SB704) are defined in § 3700 as:
"A firearm barrel includes any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be used as a firearm barrel, or that is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as a firearm barrel once
completed, assembled, or converted. A firearm barrel may have a rifled or smooth bore."

2.) "firearm accessories", which § 3273.50 defines as:
"an attachment or device designed or adapted to be inserted into, affixed onto, or used in conjunction with a firearm that is designed, intended, or functions to
increase a firearm’s rate of fire or to increase the speed at which a person may reload a firearm or replace the magazine, or any other attachment or device
described in subdivision (a) of Section 30515 of the Penal Code that may render a firearm an assault weapon when inserted into, affixed onto, or used in
conjunction with a firearm. The term firearm accessory also includes any other device, tool, kit, part, or parts set that is clearly designed and intended for use in
manufacturing firearms."

3.) "firearm-related component", which § 3273.50 loosely defines as
"...a firearm, ammunition, a firearm precursor part, a firearm component, firearm manufacturing machine, and a firearm accessory..."

The implication is that the state can choose to regulate "fireram-related components" however it sees fit:
"A firearm industry member shall not manufacture, market, import, offer for wholesale sale, or offer for retail sale a firearm-related product that is abnormally dangerous and likely to create an unreasonable risk of harm to public health and safety in California."

Just a clarification. I was reading #3 in the same way you posted here. But when I read the law more carefully, I noticed that the #3 definition is only used to define who a "firearm industry member" is. It is not part of the regulated components. So that is incrementally better, but still very bad.