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AI - The Good The Bad The Ugly

Is AI good or bad?

  • Good - 10x productivity

    Votes: 17 29.8%
  • Bad - Touch Grass bro..

    Votes: 16 28.1%
  • Both - I hate it but I use it

    Votes: 24 42.1%

  • Total voters
    57
Not getting into how much of a scam farmer's markets often are lol, that's from your perspective coming from a much wealthier generation. Modern consumer is insanely price sensitive. People crave their slop. AI definitely isn't replacing real actors and athletes though but we are already seeing very popular AI music
You presume too much there. I'm not wealthy at all, nor am I am from a wealthier generation, I'm technically a millennial, which I believe you are too? Or are you Gen Z? I forget where the cutoff is. Point is, I grew up dirt poor, and have fought my way up to barely middle class through the military training I received and the upward social mobility having a skilled trade gave me.

I just choose to spend my money differently. I value artisans and people immensely over consumerism.

You're right about most farmer's markets, they have become a for-profit industry as well. If you want me to be equally as pedantic and precise, I'll change that "Farmer's Markets" to "Farmer's Stands" and my point remains unchanged.
 
Here's what ChatGPT says:
I'd vote “Both – I hate it but I use it.” Although I'd change the wording to “Both – incredibly useful, but deeply flawed.”

Here's why.

AI can genuinely deliver 10x productivity in certain tasks: research, writing, programming, troubleshooting, and analyzing complicated information. That's not just hype.

But the problems are substantial:

  • Confidently wrong answers. AI can present incorrect information with the same confidence as correct information.
  • Sycophancy. It can agree with users instead of independently evaluating evidence.
  • Unreliable consistency. It can correctly analyze something one minute and contradict itself the next.
  • Overreliance. People can mistake fluent answers for verified expertise.
  • Broader consequences. Privacy, misinformation, displacement of workers, and concentration of power deserve serious attention.
Our recent exchange about the LOK grips was a particularly good example of the first three. I repeatedly misidentified something, agreed with contradictory statements, and wasted your time.

But those failures don't erase the technology's considerable usefulness.

And I'd argue the biggest danger isn't that AI makes mistakes. It's that AI can be remarkably convincing when it's wrong.

Having read the discussion, I'd still vote Both, but the context changes how I'd explain that vote.

Ikeo1 isn't simply asking whether AI is useful. He's trying to understand why people are increasingly hostile toward it, particularly after his AI-generated graphic was downvoted on Reddit.

A few things stand out to me.

ButteFlyFisher makes one of the strongest technical arguments. AI accelerates work when someone already understands the subject, but can waste enormous amounts of time when it confidently heads in the wrong direction. That distinction is important.

Davethebull raises the issue of people surrendering their judgment. I agree that's a serious risk, although I'd add that even people who question AI's answers can be misled when they lack the expertise to recognize an error.

Ikeo1's experience is particularly interesting. He's personally experienced technological displacement and outsourcing, yet still sees AI as an opportunity to build things he couldn't previously build himself. His enthusiasm isn't necessarily naïve; it's informed by both sides of technological change.

And the discussion reveals something else: people are conflating several different objections to AI—unreliable answers, low-quality generated content, job displacement, environmental costs, and loss of human creativity. Those concerns deserve separate consideration rather than one blanket judgment.

I also think some participants are too dismissive of the opposition. Calling critics Luddites or suggesting they lack valuable job skills doesn't address their legitimate concerns.

My position remains that AI is an extraordinarily powerful technology whose benefits are real, but whose limitations and social costs are frequently understated by its advocates.

The most interesting question for ikeo1 isn't whether AI is good or bad. It's why people who recognize its usefulness increasingly resent how it's being deployed.

That distinction could make for a much more productive discussion than the poll choices suggest.
This might be the funniest, most meta thing I have ever seen posted in a forum.

Bravo @cali_jazz , Bravo!
 
I work for a city and it’s interesting to see people whose tech jobs have been eliminated come in to interview for management positions with no relevant background for the job. They have leadership experience but no relevant experience or education/certifications. They are in a transition period and struggling to find a new career with some stability.
 
This might be the funniest, most meta thing I have ever seen posted in a forum.

Bravo @cali_jazz , Bravo!
The irony isn't lost on me. Obviously intentional to insert a ChatGPT response into the convo.

What about the quality of the answer?
 
You presume too much there. I'm not wealthy at all, nor am I am from a wealthier generation, I'm technically a millennial, which I believe you are too? Or are you Gen Z? I forget where the cutoff is. Point is, I grew up dirt poor, and have fought my way up to barely middle class through the military training I received and the upward social mobility having a skilled trade gave me.

I just choose to spend my money differently. I value artisans and people immensely over consumerism.

You're right about most farmer's markets, they have become a for-profit industry as well. If you want me to be equally as pedantic and precise, I'll change that "Farmer's Markets" to "Farmer's Stands" and my point remains unchanged.
To add, it's only in recent years, where I have found more financial stability, that I have the LUXURY of being able to support artisans, small businesses, and the like. When I was younger and still struggling to pay rent, I stretched every dollar, and didn't have the luxury of being choosey today when I have money left over after rent and the bills are paid. And I still commend those who do stretch their every dollar to this day, and don't judge them because I can choose differently.

And that's exactly why I have such mixed feelings on AI.

Sure, for example I would love to see a human designed artwork for every news article on this site (like a newspaper or magazine).

But I know how much artists cost, and the time it takes, and that @ikeo1 doesn't have limitless budget or time, and has to wisely spend the funds he has that are from this small community. And there's tools available that allow him to go from no pictures on a bulliten board style forum, to pictures now with AI agents summarizing recent news articles. So I don't judge, and I appreciate the growth using the tools available.
 
The irony isn't lost on me. Obviously intentional to insert a ChatGPT response into the convo.

What about the quality of the answer?
I think the answer is very logical and well summarized. Showcasing one of AI's database/matrix math based strengths.
 
I agree with some of what you put, but I would argue there is nothing that says we can't turn back.
  • The Automobile killed the horse and buggy and those people had to find other jobs.
    • True. However, the equestrian industry is worth hundreds of billions in the US alone. Not a dead industry, just smaller and different.
  • TV killed the radio industry and the internet killed it again.
    • I still listen to the radio, both over the air and satellite. While not as big as before, the industry isn't dead
  • Industrial Farming killed the Mom & Pop family farm and those people had to find other jobs.
    • I will willingly pay waaay more for produce from small Mom and Pop farms than I would ever pay in a store. Farmer's Markets are in every city.
  • Overseas manufacturing killed blue collar jobs in America and those people had to find other jobs.
    • Onshoring is happening in some industries, especially after COVID exposed the risks of a global supply chain, and tariffs have further encouraged onshoring.
  • Uber and Lyft killed the Taxi companies
    • I choose to use taxis at the airport every time over Uber/Lyft, with zero wait and the same price. Are there fewer? Sure, but again, not a dead industry
  • AI will eliminate Actors, writers, and most of Hollywood.
    • I would rather support human actors and writers, and won't watch AI generated content. I'm not alone.
  • Self driving cars and trucks will kill Uber and Lyft and most trucking companies
    • TBD
  • AI will kill many jobs for sure, but also improve efficiencies on the jobs that remain. In theory those cost savings should be passed down to the consumer.
  • The list is endless . . .

None of these things are INEVITABLE.

Consumers will choose the path they want.

Cheaper options will always have a huge following

But many people choose based on their morals over cost.
I give you kudos @Shellbackitup for those choices above, but unfortunately you are in a minority of people like your self. Sure maybe thousands, but there are 8 billion people consuming products on this planet, and very few are going to local farmers markets and riding horses.

While the boutique businesses and farmers market will always have a following, mainstream consumers here in the US will always gravitate towards the cheapest option possible. Sure if you are upper middle class or 1% you have choices, but those that work in those jobs/industries that will be most effected by AI, will be forced to choose AI Big Company products based on what they can afford even if it goes against their morals. There is a old saying that "Societies morals are 9 days of missed meals away from total collapse.

AI is inevitable and the sad part is we (Mankind) seem to want to put regulations and guardrails in place, yet we have no desire to stop it. Truth is we cannot stop it even if we wanted to as China, Russia, Others, will continue to develop the technology and unfortunately our only hope is to stay equal or one step ahead.

It's a bit like Global Warming. We all know it's not great for us, but we have done very little to stop it or change course, because we can't do it, unless the rest of the World does it too.
 
I give you kudos @Shellbackitup for those choices above, but unfortunately you are in a minority of people like your self. Sure maybe thousands, but there are 8 billion people consuming products on this planet, and very few are going to local farmers markets and riding horses.

While the boutique businesses and farmers market will always have a following, mainstream consumers here in the US will always gravitate towards the cheapest option possible. Sure if you are upper middle class or 1% you have choices, but those that work in those jobs/industries that will be most effected by AI, will be forced to choose AI Big Company products based on what they can afford even if it goes against their morals. There is a old saying that "Societies morals are 9 days of missed meals away from total collapse.

AI is inevitable and the sad part is we (Mankind) seem to want to put regulations and guardrails in place, yet we have no desire to stop it. Truth is we cannot stop it even if we wanted to as China, Russia, Others, will continue to develop the technology and unfortunately our only hope is to stay equal or one step ahead.

It's a bit like Global Warming. We all know it's not great for us, but we have done very little to stop it or change course, because we can't do it, unless the rest of the World does it too.
Ironically most of the world does actually operate on a more local market level with farmers markets and open air artisan shops. We are mostly an exception where we get food grown all over the world delivered to stores that's sometimes cheaper than buying directly from the farmer. In the central valley farmers markets are worth it and actually cheaper or at least better quality for the same price.
 
I have to add as a "Boomer" everyone in this thread is wealthier than my parents were AND most of the World is. All of us have thousands in Firearms and ammo, and spend thousands on training and gear. We all are in the 1% if you compare the people around the World who don't have food, housing, etc, to even make it through the week. All of us in this thread have choices when it comes to spending, but sadly most of the World does not.
 
Sure, for example I would love to see a human designed artwork for every news article on this site (like a newspaper or magazine).
I actually prefer human design as well. Our logo, the word mark, is from a person, but like people, they can be very unreliable and took some money and left. I never got my initial set of shirts from the guy and it paid him quite a bit of money.

Also, I try to do it where I can, where it’s tasteful, and I try to mix and match where it makes sense. I always appreciate the human element to things, but people are very inconsistent, just like AI.

The reality is, I can’t afford artists for every single image that we would produce. especially in California in the Bay Area. This niche in particular is very price sensitive. We know that because the site helps people save money and get information.

The only irony is some people who save money also criticize the people who try to earn a living, saving them money, because of the tools. Things only move faster because now it’s easier to get things done, relying on people like third-party developers who charged well into the thousands for a simple fix wasn’t sustainable, and why we moved so slow in the beginning. Once I was able to invest in the equipment and level up my understanding of the technology, our deployment sped up, and a number of features implemented. Which would’ve taken a year with a third-party developer and costs well into $10K+. You can see the OG site still struggling with this
 
I give you kudos @Shellbackitup for those choices above, but unfortunately you are in a minority of people like your self. Sure maybe thousands, but there are 8 billion people consuming products on this planet, and very few are going to local farmers markets and riding horses.

While the boutique businesses and farmers market will always have a following, mainstream consumers here in the US will always gravitate towards the cheapest option possible. Sure if you are upper middle class or 1% you have choices, but those that work in those jobs/industries that will be most effected by AI, will be forced to choose AI Big Company products based on what they can afford even if it goes against their morals. There is a old saying that "Societies morals are 9 days of missed meals away from total collapse.

AI is inevitable and the sad part is we (Mankind) seem to want to put regulations and guardrails in place, yet we have no desire to stop it. Truth is we cannot stop it even if we wanted to as China, Russia, Others, will continue to develop the technology and unfortunately our only hope is to stay equal or one step ahead.

It's a bit like Global Warming. We all know it's not great for us, but we have done very little to stop it or change course, because we can't do it, unless the rest of the World does it too.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree on a deep point: I think we DO have the ability to change course, or stop things, or make a difference individually.

My only voice is with my money in today's society. And withholding that money from companies that I don't agree with, or more accurately, spending my money with companies that I do agree with and support, DOES make a difference. Sure not just me, but there's others like me and we can make changes. And people are the reason those industries are still alive. I choose to believe in people, and what we can do when we organize together, no matter how unpopular my optimism may be these days.

Giving up to the inevitability of anything is just that, giving up. I choose to rage against the dying of the light, to quote a poem.

I think a perfect example is the environment. I live in Huntington Beach, where the Bolsa Chica wetlands were basically a toxic waste field from the petro industry when I was a kid learning to surf and swim in Sunset Beach. But a bunch of locals banded together, and now we have a protected wetlands where I can walk and see critically endangered species nesting and feeding. That affects me personally, and was grass roots driven by less than 50 people.

Another example would be the quality of the air here in the greater Los Angeles area. The air was brown when I was a kid, and only cleared up on Sundays after the weekday traffic remnants had finally settled. Today I can see the mountains from the beach nearly every day. Not to mention I don't have chronic bronchitis like I did when I was a kid living in the urban pollutant capital of the state.

Like you said, Global Warming exists today, and we are aware of the dangers. That doesn't mean we can't act today to have meaningful changes in the future. We just feel small because we are small. But banding together our voices grow and have impact.

And I do agree that we need to keep up with threats from abroad, just like we need weapons to defend ourselves, AI is now a necessity in many ways.

And I will agree that change is inevitable, and change is uncomfortable.

We can still put meaningful guardrails and regulations in place that protect and put people and the environment first.
 
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Just curious what you guys think? I just got downvoted into oblivion on Reddit for the AI graphic. In the past it was fine, but now it seems like there's a disdain for anything AI. I'm noticing the sentiment is changing pretty rapidly and learning that I need to temper some of my own enthusiasm for the tech.

It's really unlocked some technical capabilities I've always dreamed of, since i wasn't a great programmer but working with dev's we've always been able to build some really cool stuff. Now, it's like having a full time dev, BUT ai slop is prevalent.

Curious what you guys think.. I know there's some of you who are in it, but also interested in people who are not and what your thoughts are so I can understand different perspectives better. I recognize I'm biased and interested in peoples opinions.

You're not the only one. I've had a similar experience where, instead of focusing on the actual content, people fixated on the fact that I used AI.

I posted a ranking of the recent USPSA Carry Optics results generated by AI, then compared it with a screenshot of an Excel sheet that was also generated by AI using PractiScore data. Same information, different presentation. The AI-generated version got downvoted into oblivion.

I don't really understand the knee-jerk hostility toward AI. It's not going anywhere, and more people are going to incorporate it into their everyday work. Like any other tool, what matters is how effectively you use it and whether the output is accurate. Those who refuse to adapt simply risk being left behind.
 
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree on a deep point: I think we DO have the ability to change course, or stop things, or make a difference individually.
We can still put meaningful guardrails and regulations in place that protect and put people and the environment first.
I commend your optimism for sure! The problem is even is we (The United States), did have the ability and will to "change course, or stop things" it's meaningless if the rest of the World does not follow our lead. There is a documentary on Netflix called "What's Next? The Future with Bill Gates", where he explains where the CO2 is coming from. Even if the US went to Zero (which it never will) the rate at which the rest of the World is polluting it will kill us all anyway. It's the same with AI unfortunately. For all the good and guard rails we could do IF WE COULD EVEN GET THE ENTIRE USA TO AGREE, would not make a dent if the rest of the World doesn't make changes.

Don't get me wrong, I TOTALLY agree with you, but I'm a bit less optimistic those in power are willing to put any meaningful regulations in place to stop AI and or the destruction of our planet. It's a bit like those who come up with more stringent Gun Regulations in hopes it will reduce gun violence. Until you get everyone on board, it doesn't make a dent.

https://www.netflix.com/title/81609333​

 
I commend your optimism for sure! The problem is even is we (The United States), did have the ability and will to "change course, or stop things" it's meaningless if the rest of the World does not follow our lead. There is a documentary on Netflix called "What's Next? The Future with Bill Gates", where he explains where the CO2 is coming from. Even if the US went to Zero (which it never will) the rate at which the rest of the World is polluting it will kill us all anyway. It's the same with AI unfortunately. For all the good and guard rails we could do IF WE COULD EVEN GET THE ENTIRE USA TO AGREE, would not make a dent if the rest of the World doesn't make changes.

Don't get me wrong, I TOTALLY agree with you, but I'm a bit less optimistic those in power are willing to put any meaningful regulations in place to stop AI and or the destruction of our planet. It's a bit like those who come up with more stringent Gun Regulations in hopes it will reduce gun violence. Until you get everyone on board, it doesn't make a dent.

https://www.netflix.com/title/81609333​

And your realism and awareness of the challenges that meaningful changes face is equally commendable.
Those in power are there because we put them there. We can change that, vote by vote, and by getting out in the community and challenging those who don't know better.
I love taking new shooters to the range, and I know they will most likely vote differently after seeing how much fun it can be.
Don't let cynicism win over hope. Easier said than done, I know. My optimism is a choice, and a hard choice many days.
 
I actually prefer human design as well. Our logo, the word mark, is from a person, but like people, they can be very unreliable and took some money and left. I never got my initial set of shirts from the guy and it paid him quite a bit of money.

Also, I try to do it where I can, where it’s tasteful, and I try to mix and match where it makes sense. I always appreciate the human element to things, but people are very inconsistent, just like AI.

The reality is, I can’t afford artists for every single image that we would produce. especially in California in the Bay Area. This niche in particular is very price sensitive. We know that because the site helps people save money and get information.

The only irony is some people who save money also criticize the people who try to earn a living, saving them money, because of the tools. Things only move faster because now it’s easier to get things done, relying on people like third-party developers who charged well into the thousands for a simple fix wasn’t sustainable, and why we moved so slow in the beginning. Once I was able to invest in the equipment and level up my understanding of the technology, our deployment sped up, and a number of features implemented. Which would’ve taken a year with a third-party developer and costs well into $10K+. You can see the OG site still struggling with this

You're not the only one. I've had a similar experience where, instead of focusing on the actual content, people fixated on the fact that I used AI.

I posted a ranking of the recent USPSA Carry Optics results generated by AI, then compared it with a screenshot of an Excel sheet that was also generated by AI using PractiScore data. Same information, different presentation. The AI-generated version got downvoted into oblivion.

I don't really understand the knee-jerk hostility toward AI. It's not going anywhere, and more people are going to incorporate it into their everyday work. Like any other tool, what matters is how effectively you use it and whether the output is accurate. Those who refuse to adapt simply risk being left behind.

I think the knee-jerk criticism is very relevant today.

Too often people make a 'moral' decision, such as 'AI is bad because its bad for the environment" and that's it. That's the level of deepness of the opinion.

There's no seeking to understand the "why" behind it. Like "why" would a small restaurant (or gun forum) use AI art?

But the 'why' requires thoughtfulness, and doesn't give you the ability to be righteously angry about something and lash out.

Because people are frustrated and feel smaller than ever, and they can get a little release by lashing out at something easy to target
 
You're not the only one. I've had a similar experience where, instead of focusing on the actual content, people fixated on the fact that I used AI.

I posted a ranking of the recent USPSA Carry Optics results generated by AI, then compared it with a screenshot of an Excel sheet that was also generated by AI using PractiScore data. Same information, different presentation. The AI-generated version got downvoted into oblivion.

I don't really understand the knee-jerk hostility toward AI. It's not going anywhere, and more people are going to incorporate it into their everyday work. Like any other tool, what matters is how effectively you use it and whether the output is accurate. Those who refuse to adapt simply risk being left behind.
Its the fact that most AI generated content is low effort and riddled with errors. I work with data for a living and don't have a use for AI because I need to document every step I take when I do statistics or cleanup. And honestly the work isn't that hard, I don't even save time using AI. I'm also a person that has a ton of personal spreadsheets whether it's load data, my workouts etc. LIke when I am looking at a new car I will make a spreadsheet with 100k of maintenance and gas cost included to see if it's actually worth it to buy a hybrid or pay more for gas (fun fact, it's almost never worth it from a cost perspective because they cost more and the batteries don't last forever). I still can't figure out what a normal person uses AI for but then I see people asking the AI questions and 💩 like it's a real person. Every meaningful question has an answer of "it depends" and chat bots do a piss poor job of providing that. Like if all you use for AI is data scraping a webpage, that's not even AI that's just a chat bot that automated a data import.
 
You're not the only one. I've had a similar experience where, instead of focusing on the actual content, people fixated on the fact that I used AI.

I posted a ranking of the recent USPSA Carry Optics results generated by AI, then compared it with a screenshot of an Excel sheet that was also generated by AI using PractiScore data. Same information, different presentation. The AI-generated version got downvoted into oblivion.

I don't really understand the knee-jerk hostility toward AI. It's not going anywhere, and more people are going to incorporate it into their everyday work. Like any other tool, what matters is how effectively you use it and whether the output is accurate. Those who refuse to adapt simply risk being left behind.
Could this be bots? Just asking as a complete ignoramus.
 
A friend of a friend is in collage and she said she uses AI for all curriculum and just changes things around to her liking to make it sound better...

So in collage, she is just learning how manipulate wording instead of actual learning personal knowledge.


The more I hear about AI, the more I think "Skynet" will be the ultimate outcome.

Matt
*college
 
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