Feedback Az to Ca gun ownership and sales

[AR15barrels]

I personally benefited from this several times in the last couple of years someone went and bought guns in Nevada drive them back to me we did the dros no problem.
I met a guy on Calguns literally popped his trunk and said I just came back from Arizona which one do you want and we did the dros. Maybe not all gun shops will do it like Turner’s and maybe the smaller ones will. Clearly, the more you do it the more you are at risk but to each his own. but for you to say he can’t do it is a 100% wrong and I’m wrong is not true. Thank you
next you’re going to tell me that I can only do 5 PPT’s in one year.

This justification is exactly the same as saying "I have exceeded the speed limit for decades without any problems, therefore it's fine".
Try that one on a law enforcement officer when you finally get pulled over.

 

[RickD427]

This justification is exactly the same as saying "I have exceeded the speed limit for decades without any problems, therefore it's fine".
Try that one on a law enforcement officer when you finally get pulled over.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Also please keep in mind that a violation pf PC 27585 is a felony if the involved weapon is a handgun or semi-auto rifle.

Also please note that many anti-2A prosecutors will initially file the felony charge as an "arm-twister" for you to plead to a misdemeanor. The chances of doing much jail time are slim, but stand by to lose your firearms rights as a condition of probation.

 

[9mmContagion]

So if I understand correctly, your dad has a nice gun collection in Bullhead that he wants to give to you to enjoy while he's still here.
He would need to do it as an intrafamilial transfer and ship everything to an FFL here in CA. Make sure all are configured for CA, and mags are blocked to 10 rounds max.

This is exactly what I thought I read, too….

 

[tedster]

If the hand gun is not on the CA roster, it can't be imported into CA.
If you move from out-of-state into CA and your hand gun is on the roster, as the owner you might be able to bring it and register it in CA with CA ID and proof of residency.

 

[tedster]

Obviously people own off roster firearms as they are listed all over and you can find them at LGS all the time. Just curious…

Off roster hand guns can only be PPT'd within CA. If a LGS has one it's most likely a consignment, which is still a PPT. The gun store only facilitates the PPT.
I don't think a gun store (FFL) can sell you off roster guns that are/were owned by the store.
When all the CZs came of the roster, stores had to pull those guns off the sales floor.

 

[jmpeal]

If the hand gun is not on the CA roster, it can't be imported into CA.
If you move from out-of-state into CA and your hand gun is on the roster, as the owner you might be able to bring it and register it in CA with CA ID and proof of residency.

Off rosters can be imported to CA if doing an intra-family roster transfer gift from your dad or son. The OP should do this with his dad. Just need to be CA legal (no handgun threaded barrels, 10 round mags, etc) and provide gift letter and copy of dad's AZ license. Can me shipped obviously via a FFL or if parent/son in CA, it can be done in person together. Need to make find a FFL that is familiar with these transactions.

 

[tedster]

BOF 4544A

 

[ef9boy88]

If the hand gun is not on the CA roster, it can't be imported into CA.
If you move from out-of-state into CA and your hand gun is on the roster, as the owner you might be able to bring it and register it in CA with CA ID and proof of residency.

This is incorrect. Intrafamilial transfers are exempt from the roster.
What are we supposed to be seeing on the form?

 

[tedster]

This is incorrect. Intrafamilial transfers are exempt from the roster.
What are we supposed to be seeing on the form?

I'd say my statement is very correct. Exemptions are just that, exemptions.
It's already been addressed in post #26.

You can't read the form? Maybe it's not the form one needs to submit for a transaction like this.
Surely, there is a form that goes along with it, as with any other firearms transaction.

Is there a reason why you refer to yourself as "we"?

It says transfer within 60 days, even off roster if you already own it.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991

 

[ef9boy88]

I'd say my statement is very correct. Exemptions are just that, exemptions.
It's already been addressed in post #26.

You can't read the form? Maybe it's not the form one needs to submit for a transaction like this.
Surely, there is a form that goes along with it, as with any other firearms transaction.

Is there a reason why you refer to yourself as "we"?

It says transfer within 60 days, even off roster if you already own it.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991

I mean I shared that form for OP pretty far back in the thread just thought may be highlighting new information. You stated that you can't import an off roster handgun. But obviously we've discussed at least two ways to accomplish that. Bring in firearms you already own, and intrafamilial transfer. Guessing you read OP and just popped off instead of understanding any of the conversation pre you.

 

[tedster]

So if I understand correctly, your dad has a nice gun collection in Bullhead that he wants to give to you to enjoy while he's still here.
He would need to do it as an intrafamilial transfer and ship everything to an FFL here in CA. Make sure all are configured for CA, and mags are blocked to 10 rounds max.

OP does not state that "dad has a nice collection".
He states that he purchased firearms in AZ, presumably with an AZ ID while being CA resident.
The guns stay at the parents house in Bullhead City AZ.
He is considering to bring some or all into CA, at one time or another.

 

[tedster]

I mean I shared that form for OP pretty far back in the thread just thought may be highlighting new information. You stated that you can't import an off roster handgun. But obviously we've discussed at least two ways to accomplish that. Bring in firearms you already own, and intrafamilial transfer. Guessing you read OP and just popped off instead of understanding any of the conversation pre you.

The thread has 2 pages. I don't see you "sharing" that form previously.

 

[ef9boy88]

The thread has 2 pages. I don't see you "sharing" that form previously.

Meh, I dropped the link, maybe admins were worried about scams.

 

[ef9boy88]

OP does not state that "dad has a nice collection".
He states that he purchased firearms in AZ, presumably with an AZ ID while being CA resident.
The guns stay at the parents house in Bullhead City AZ.
He is considering to bring some or all into CA, at one time or another.

I read what OP wrote.

 

[jmpeal]

BOF 4544A

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That is for interstate between two CA family residents. We are taking about intrastate family between a CA resident and dad son mom from AZ or Utah or wherever. There are no off roster restriction. Trust me I have done a few with my son. Caniks, Glocks, etc via the out of state family transfer gift. You talking about CA to CA family transfer. Thanks

 

[tedster]

That is for interstate between two CA family residents. We are taking about intrastate family between a CA resident and dad son mom from AZ or Utah or wherever. There are no off roster restriction. Trust me I have done a few with my son. Caniks, Glocks, etc via the out of state family transfer gift. You talking about CA to CA family transfer. Thanks

I am not talking about anything, I am making one or the other suggestion. I understand there are exemptions.
However, OP states he purchased guns with AZ ID that remain in AZ. This indicates, he is the owner of the guns, not his dad.
He also states he lives in CA. Does that mean he is a CA resident with valid CA ID and proof of residence or does he just spend a certain amount of time in CA?

How would he maintain 2 state IDs? You are a resident in one or the state. No matter where you spend "a lot of time".
I am a CA resident with CA ID. They wouldn't sell me guns at an AZ FFL gun store.

There is a lot of grey area in the original post and lots of wise guys throughout the thread, claiming to have the clear knowledge and solution.
I rather get the impression, there is a lot of "reddit ruboff" going around on this website.

Ps, you are confusing "interstate" & "intrastate".

 

[Boomhauer]

I am not talking about anything, I am making one or the other suggestion. I understand there are exemptions.
However, OP states he purchased guns with AZ ID that remain in AZ. This indicates, he is the owner of the guns, not his dad.
He also states he lives in CA. Does that mean he is a CA resident with valid CA ID and proof of residence or does he just spend a certain amount of time in CA?

How would he maintain 2 state IDs? You are a resident in one or the state. No matter where you spend "a lot of time".
I am a CA resident with CA ID. They wouldn't sell me guns at an AZ FFL gun store.

There is a lot of grey area in the original post and lots of wise guys throughout the thread, claiming to have the clear knowledge and solution.
I rather get the impression, there is a lot of "reddit ruboff" going around on this website.

I reside in California, and have a CA drivers license. You are able to get a AZ ID if you show proof of residing there, utility bill, electric bill etc. obviously I didn’t say that my dad has a nice collection, he is implying on the way to go about getting them to California legally. Which made sense to me.

 

[tedster]

Thanks for the clarification, although I doubt you can legally hold 2 state IDs.
It's been described already in Posts #2 & #6. BONECUTR shows a FFL tag in his member ID. I would think he knows a thing or 2.
Gift the guns to your dad and have him gift them back to you with a transfer into CA. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[RickD427]

I am not talking about anything, I am making one or the other suggestion. I understand there are exemptions.
However, OP states he purchased guns with AZ ID that remain in AZ. This indicates, he is the owner of the guns, not his dad.
He also states he lives in CA. Does that mean he is a CA resident with valid CA ID and proof of residence or does he just spend a certain amount of time in CA?

How would he maintain 2 state IDs? You are a resident in one or the state. No matter where you spend "a lot of time".
I am a CA resident with CA ID. They wouldn't sell me guns at an AZ FFL gun store.

There is a lot of grey area in the original post and lots of wise guys throughout the thread, claiming to have the clear knowledge and solution.
I rather get the impression, there is a lot of "reddit ruboff" going around on this website.

Ps, you are confusing "interstate" & "intrastate".

Tedster,

You're correct in most of your points, but please note that there are very significant differences in the meaning of residency under California and Federal law. Quite interestingly, the possession of a state issued driver's license, or ID card is not solely determinative of residency under both California's and the federal definitions (I can't speak to Arizona's requirements).

As to Federal law - Please refer to 18USC921 and 27CFR478.11. Under federal law, a person must be present in a state with the intention of making a home in that state. The federal regs provide four examples of residency. It's pretty much impossible to be a dual resident of multiple states due to the requirement to present in the state in order to be a resident, but when you look at the examples in the regulation, you can change your state of residence as quickly as you can move between states. There is no requirement to obtain a state-issued ID.

As to California law - Refer to Penal Code section 17000(b)(1), which incorporates Vehicle Code section 12505. The sum of those sections define a person as a California resident in they maintain a home in California to which they intent to return when absent. This makes it very easy for a person to be a dual resident with another state (and which formed the legislative basis for Penal Code section 27585). There is no requirement to obtain a California ID in order to be a resident.

 

[tedster]

Tedster,

You're correct in most of your points, but please note that there are very significant differences in the meaning of residency under California and Federal law. Quite interestingly, the possession of a state issued driver's license, or ID card is not solely determinative of residency under both California's and the federal definitions (I can't speak to Arizona's requirements).

As to Federal law - Please refer to 18USC921 and 27CFR478.11. Under federal law, a person must be present in a state with the intention of making a home in that state. The federal regs provide four examples of residency. It's pretty much impossible to be a dual resident of multiple states due to the requirement to present in the state in order to be a resident, but when you look at the examples in the regulation, you can change your state of residence as quickly as you can move between states. There is no requirement to obtain a state-issued ID.

As to California law - Refer to Penal Code section 17000(b)(1), which incorporates Vehicle Code section 12505. The sum of those sections define a person as a California resident in they maintain a home in California to which they intent to return when absent. This makes it very easy for a person to be a dual resident with another state (and which formed the legislative basis for Penal Code section 27585). There is no requirement to obtain a California ID in order to be a resident.

California requires CA ID and proof of residency to acquire firearms in the state or likewise transfer them via PPT into CA.
AZ will require AZ ID (residence) for legal gun purchases. That's what I've been told by AZ FFLs.
If you can shuffle guns back & forth with the family and transfer it from out of state into CA this, so be it.

It's helpful to bring some grey areas to the foreground. A reputable 2A website would benefit from clear conversations.
Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.