Law Bonta wants to raise ammo background check fee from $1 to $5

[Malibu]

ANY “background check” bothers me…$1 cent or $1M, it makes no difference.
This unconstitutional law hopefully is on its way out.

 

[tedster]

I am from West-Germany. I grew up with surveillance. Nothing compared to what they say it was in East-Germany. But still.
I see the point from an American perspective. However, background checks are now the bottom line, considering 'anti gun' activism.
The trigger lock on S&W revolvers bothers me more than a background check. A clear violation of 2A Aesthetics.
Everything has become Orwellian. We don't even know, what the next stage of human existence will be, better or worse?

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I am from West-Germany. I grew up with surveillance. Nothing compared to what they say it was in East-Germany. But still.
I see the point from an American perspective. However, background checks are now the bottom line, considering 'anti gun' activism.
The trigger lock on S&W revolvers bothers me more than a background check. A clear violation of 2A Aesthetics.
Everything has become Orwellian. We don't even know, what the next stage of human existence will be, better or worse?

The trigger lock on S&W's is why for years I refused to buy them until they came out with models w/o them or the plate to delete it.

Despite what some think, you cannot regulate the safety of everything.

My take on human future existence.

I remember the best life lesson my grandfather gave me. I was about nine years old and flicking matches with my finger on the striker one after another watching them burn because I was bored (pre-cellphone era). He sat down and watched me , not saying a word. Finally one didn't flick off the striker and caught fire as my finger was still on it and burned me.

He just looked at me and said, "I could've told ya, but better you learnt it."

Last time I ever played with fire. I think now a days everyone is so over protective, emotionally, physically, legally, liability, etc that the future does not bode well for humanity because you're not learning real life consequences anymore at a young age and everything is someone else's fault for not warning you first.

 

[weimer20]

Of course he does! I hope by him doing this it gets taken to court and the whole thing gets upturned! Again, “give them an inch, and they’ll want a mile!” Death by a thousand cuts! We have to stop giving them anything!

Rhode v Bonta is the court case handling this

 

[Warpspeed]

So lots of this is wrong and all but what was the result? Or was there one?

 

[BigPimping]

This should come as no surprise to anyone.

 

[esyiam]

“How to fight this?”

Easy. Vote in the people who best represent what you want. How many people in congress, assembly, senate, legislature have been there for decades and done nothing? Best thing was to slowly take away the rights of law-abiding citizens. This is a prime example.

 

[eequinn]

New proposed regulation

Regulations: Ammunition Purchase Fee

Summary: Prior to the passage of Proposition 63 of 2016 (The Safety for All Act) and Senate Bill No. 1235 (SB 1235) (Reg. Sess. 2015-2016), the sale or transfer of ammunition was not regulated in California. Although Penal Code section 30305 prohibited an individual from owning or possessing...

oag.ca.gov

Thanks to Redditor FireFight1234567, who seems on top of this stuff.

Between the excise tax, and the cost of background checks...this is getting out of hand. They are trying to price people out of buying firearms, the same way with raising hunting license prices every year. If you are not rich, they do not want you to have 2nd amendment rights.

 

[Malibu]

I am from West-Germany. I grew up with surveillance. Nothing compared to what they say it was in East-Germany. But still.
I see the point from an American perspective. However, background checks are now the bottom line, considering 'anti gun' activism.
The trigger lock on S&W revolvers bothers me more than a background check. A clear violation of 2A Aesthetics.
Everything has become Orwellian. We don't even know, what the next stage of human existence will be, better or worse?

Be interesting to learn what it was like “growing up with surveillance”; is that in a general sense, or are there any specific examples (big and small) that you remember that you don’t see here in the US? Was it more of a culture thing, and how did those who valued any sense of privacy deal with it?…Or did they even bother?

 

[tedster]

Be interesting to learn what it was like “growing up with surveillance”; is that in a general sense, or are there any specific examples (big and small) that you remember that you don’t see here in the US? Was it more of a culture thing, and how did those who valued any sense of privacy deal with it?…Or did they even bother?

The US has long caught up to maintaining state of the art surveillance. The Patriot Act established a big step in favor of such practices.
Every background check for gun or ammo purchases serve to surveil transactions, stores your data and can be used for various purposes.
I attach a page regarding your question. It would be a topic for a thread on its own since it will derail this thread.

 

[Malibu]

The US has long caught up to maintaining state of the art surveillance. The Patriot Act established a big step in favor of such practices.
Every background check for gun or ammo purchases serve to surveil transactions, stores your data and can be used for various purposes.
I attach a page regarding your question. It would be a topic for a thread on its own since it will derail this thread.

Yes, that makes sense.
A former neighbor lived under the East German Stasi, and said it was always dangerous to have simple conversations with even relatives for fear of being ratted out.
This would be a good educational topic for another thread indeed.

 

[1slik37]

New proposed regulation

Regulations: Ammunition Purchase Fee

Summary: Prior to the passage of Proposition 63 of 2016 (The Safety for All Act) and Senate Bill No. 1235 (SB 1235) (Reg. Sess. 2015-2016), the sale or transfer of ammunition was not regulated in California. Although Penal Code section 30305 prohibited an individual from owning or possessing...

oag.ca.gov

Thanks to Redditor FireFight1234567, who seems on top of this stuff.

That's why people just get ammo out of state

 

[tedster]

Yes, that makes sense.
A former neighbor lived under the East German Stasi, and said it was always dangerous to have simple conversations with even relatives for fear of being ratted out.
This would be a good educational topic for another thread indeed.

America used to be the last beacon of freedom. Not without down sides, but certainly unique.
What happened to "the sky is the limit"? I suppose it fell with 9/11? I don't know.

They checked me out during my Green Card process, than they checked me out during my Naturalization process.

A DROS form isn't going to intimidate me.

 

[Jimi Jah]

Stocked up during the cheap Trump years. Seems everything is 30~100% higher. I only buy small amounts of specialty ammo now. I have a single stage press and a lot of brass but that takes a lot of time and effort. Maybe later when the brass exceeds the ammo supply I'll get more dies.

 

[1slik37]

Stocked up during the cheap Trump years. Seems everything is 30~100% higher. I only buy small amounts of specialty ammo now. I have a single stage press and a lot of brass but that takes a lot of time and effort. Maybe later when the brass exceeds the ammo supply I'll get more dies.

I used to reload but to be honest it wasn't any cheaper just get a little more ammo out of it. But everything was getting expensive from primers to brass. I try saving all my brass

 

[Joker67]

Reloading has its perks. If you stock up in bulk, As time passes , it stays cheap. It also depends on how much you shoot. If you shoot 5-10k rounds and up a year, it’s worth it. If you shoot 50 rounds a month , it’s not.
9mm is .14-17 cents, 5.56 is .24-28 cents, .40 is 24 cents, .45 is .25 cents a round at my costs . That’s with tax and shipping . It’s creeped up. I buy things on sale, with coupons and in bulk. I just bought 2000 124 gn 9mm projectiles for 7.3 cents apiece , that’s with tax and shipping . Powder is best bought 8lbs at a time with no hazmat , free shipping etc.
I bought 4,000 62 gn .224 projectiles for $240 a few years back. Just paid $110 for 1,000. Bulk pays.

 

[tedster]

Handloading ~ 10k rounds per year seems like a task that takes a lot of time.
I don't have the know how nor the skill & equipment to load.
But even in the best case scenario, you'll be spending lots of time at the re-loading bench.

 

[tedster]

Stocked up during the cheap Trump years. Seems everything is 30~100% higher. I only buy small amounts of specialty ammo now. I have a single stage press and a lot of brass but that takes a lot of time and effort. Maybe later when the brass exceeds the ammo supply I'll get more dies.

Way to go. I also grabbed several boxes of relevant calibers.
This and the fact that I am a casual shooter are the reasons for slow depletion of my stock pile.

 

[Jimi Jah]

I have enough to last for years. Might be a lifetime supply at my age. I used to reload a lot of 223 during the Hussain years when it went up to $1.50 per round. I don't shoot that much of that caliber anymore. I have a couple buckets of 223 brass I will sell off.

Plenty of Russian and Chi-com steel AK ammo, got that dirt cheap. Same with .22, paid 3 or 4 cpr. I do save .22 brass as well, the metal recyclers pay for that.

I leave nothing behind on BLM land except for footprints.

 

[Malibu]

I leave nothing behind on BLM land except for footprints.

Excellent. If more of the shooting public did that, we might not loose so much once available public lands to shooting. Target shooters are some of the most notorious slobs who have literally ruined it for everyone else by their discarded shell casings, old targets, and whatever else junk they leave behind.