California appeals court upholds ban on higher-capacity magazines, spurring unusual video dissent - 21 March 2025

[NorCalBusa]

Two guys are coming into your house and you aren't the world's best shooter (or even close). You want 10 rounds or more?

 

[johncoffee]

I appreciate the civil discourse. We are going to need much more of this if our republic is going to survive.

The 'problems' you listed are real and I would probably even add a few to your list. However, listing the problems is not the same as solutions. I have seen no indication that our nation is ready to even seriously address broad social issues. So, in the meantime, we have to try things that we can actually do. I would love for anyone to offer a practical suggestion that would make a dent in the issue.

So here is where the globalists want us. Capitulating the right that physically protects the individual because others refuse or are unable to address the other social and mental health issues. Thereby decreasing our ability to defend ourselves; ultimately from a tyrannical govt.
we're seeing the fall of other 1st world nations. Lets not join. We've made it this far.
(Non-Alex Jones voice and tempo)

 

[USMC06RET]

Two guys are coming into your house and you aren't the world's best shooter (or even close). You want 10 rounds or more?

12 ga with 00 buck would always be my weapon of choice in a situation like you describe.

 

[USMC06RET]

So here is where the globalists want us. Capitulating the right that physically protects the individual because others refuse or are unable to address the other social and mental health issues. Thereby decreasing our ability to defend ourselves; ultimately from a tyrannical govt.
we're seeing the fall of other 1st world nations. Lets not join. We've made it this far.
(Non-Alex Jones voice and tempo)

I'm a pragmatist. I will always opt for an imperfect remedy in lieu of no solution.

 

[USMC06RET]

BTW, Hello! I’m a new guy here.

Welcome aboard!

 

[johncoffee]

I'm a pragmatist. I will always opt for an imperfect remedy in lieu of no solution.

I can understand this. I respect your position.

The beauty of this country is that I don't have to (or in the current event's case, shouldn't have to) offer a solution to keep my arms. Hence, "shall not be infringed."
The remedies that you try or don't try should not inhibit my ability to defend myself. And laws like this absolutely do that.

I'd count myself among the pragmatists, as well. But that won't help me if there's 3 men armed with 30-50 round mags and switches; and I'm the only one in the room following the law.

 

[jhsd20]

One day when AWs and mags are banned, they'll limit 00 buck to single shot only because it fires 10 9mm balls at a time. After that they'll require background checks on bleach, ammonia, and fertilizer purchases. How much is too much? Everyone's answer is different.

This is a matter of threshold and what everyone's comfortable with. The problem is our politicians love debating thresholds instead of solutions... because solutions involve facing uncomfortable truths and alienating voters, or perhaps the more cynical version- losing campaign money.

There are countries with US-like civilian gun ownership laws (Czechia) with lower mass murder rates. There are countries with much stricter gun ownership laws that lead the world by a huge margin in gun crime (Brazil, Mexico). It's not an imperfect solution, it isn't even part of the problem.

The problem is in the culture.

 

[USMC06RET]

The beauty of this country is that I don't have to (or in the current event's case, shouldn't have to) offer a solution to keep my arms. Hence, "shall not be infringed."
The remedies that you try or don't try should not inhibit my ability to defend myself. And laws like this absolutely do that.

I appreciate your feelings on the matter. Since we all live in this society together, it behooves us to cooperate and find practical ways to mitigate the carnage that has befallen so many innocent children and adults. The only way our society can work is through compromise, without that we will be living in anarchy and at each other's throats constantly. That isn't going to benefit anyone but those who thrive on chaos.

 

[jhsd20]

Feel free to skip this post if you don't want to read someone else's emotional and slightly off topic rambling.

My grandmother was a chemistry teacher. Because that was considered counter-revolutionary in the political climate she lived in, a group of patriotic young men (and sometimes women) with little red bands on their sleeves would break in, beat her, and drag her out to the street to humiliate and make an example out of her. My grandfather was a doctor, he hung himself when my father was 11. I never knew him at all.

I'd like to imagine that if a government would like to try that stunt again that at least the citizens be well armed. Maybe then the young patriots would need rifles themselves. And ammunition. And training. Maybe they'd think twice. Maybe they'd still win, but at least it would COST them something.

More than just a little red band.

 

[johncoffee]

The compromise has already been happening; and the measures taken to erode the second amendment have not yielded improvement- instead crime and mass shootings continue to rise.
Because, the remedies being tried aren't addressing the issues at the core, as has been stated by others.

 

[johncoffee]

Feel free to skip this post if you don't want to read someone else's emotional and slightly off topic rambling.

My grandmother was a chemistry teacher. Because that was considered counter-revolutionary in the political climate she lived in, a group of patriotic young men (and sometimes women) with little red bands on their sleeves would break in, beat her, and drag her out to the street to humiliate and make an example out of her. My grandfather was a doctor, he hung himself when my father was 11. I never knew him at all.

I'd like to imagine that if a government would like to try that stunt again that at least the citizens be well armed. Maybe then the young patriots would need rifles themselves. And ammunition. And training. Maybe they'd think twice. Maybe they'd still win, but at least it would COST them something.

More than just a little red band.

I'm reading the Gulag Archipelago right now, so your post hits pretty solid rn.
Sorry that you didnt get to have a relationship with your grandfather.

 

[USMC06RET]

The compromise has already been happening; and the measures taken to erode the second amendment have not yielded improvement- instead crime and mass shootings continue to rise.
Because, the remedies being tried aren't addressing the issues at the core, as has been stated by others.

So, what would you actually do to address the issues at the core? Not look at but, actually do?

 

[Pythonfan]

Cut MOST of the current gun laws that don't involve violent acts or theft. That will free up resources to go after violent acts.

Stiffen up the penalties for violent acts and prosecute them appropriately.

We are wasting resources ruining people's lives and livelihood, who's only crime is the ability to wrap their thumb around a pistol grip or remove a magazine with a push of a button.

Meanwhile the violent felon who has been habitually using guns to commit violent acts keeps being let out to reoffend because the system is overwhelmed. They don't care about how many felonies they rack up and it doesn't ruin their livelihood to have another felony.

 

[NorCalBusa]

12 ga with 00 buck would always be my weapon of choice in a situation like you describe.

Foul ball- you didn't answer the question.

 

[johncoffee]

So, what would you actually do to address the issues at the core? Not look at but, actually do?

Right now, I have to work about 55 hours a week minimum to make ends meet. With all the taxes I have to pay and none of it addressing what the govt promises to help with in the areas that I think are the core of said issues; I don't have a second chance to restart my life and become a sociologist or economist then maybe move my way into politics.

So, I do what I can do. Raise my kids the best I can. With good character and strong morals. To look at things intelligentially and value merit above all else in their work. I have 2 daughters in college and 1 son in the Army. By God's mercy they are caring and thoughtful individuals. If I'm lucky, all six of them will consider me a good father and one of their best friends when I'm older.

That's what I actually do. I don't have the energy for much else. Accept maybe read some Thomas Sowell and Lee Child when I can.

One of my points was that it's not upon me to come up with the solution. I won't restate the second amendment here, but this is where it would go... shall not be infringed.

All the countries in the world. and THIS one is the best... Why? HOW?
It's amazing isn't it?
Almost 2 and half centuries and still going strong, considering.

 

[USMC06RET]

Foul ball- you didn't answer the question.

I thought the answer was self-evident, in your scenario I'm fine with the 7+1 00 buck that my 870 accommodates. Seriously, I wouldn't need more than two rounds.

 

[DB>)>]

I'm a pragmatist. I will always opt for an imperfect remedy in lieu of no solution.

An imperfect remedy that causes more harm than good (AKA "common sense gun control") is NOT an acceptable approach. PERIOD.

It's NOT the gun (inanimate object) that is the problem, it is the individual, whether they use a gun, a knife, a bowling trophy, a hammer or a truckload of fertilizer, or an airplane...

I've seen some studies that acknowledge this, and suggest that the PERSON be licensed, with an appropriate level of training (so they aren't ignorant and unsafe), a background check system and probably a physical license that ID's that person as having passed the tests. Once you've shown you know how to follow basic safety rules and are NOT a criminal of some sort... you can walk in, flash the card, retailer (or Private party via an app) can verify you, and you buy what you want. In theory certain "classes" of firearms might benefit from different levels of licensing, but otherwise, the system can be fairly simple with modern technology. The burdens on buyers and sellers would be far less onerous than the convoluted CA system, the goobermint doesn't end up with a "gun registry", and if a person engages in criminal behavior, they are no longer licensed, and appropriate steps can be taken giving due process. As long as a citizen is law abiding, their 2A right is secure and protected, as is the public.

 

[69Impala]

Anybody? What happens with the freedom week magazines? Can you use them or do they sink in a boating accident

 

[jhsd20]

Anybody? What happens with the freedom week magazines? Can you use them or do they sink in a boating accident

I covered this earlier. Nothing has changed yet in CA law. Nothing likely will until the case is decided or rejected by SCOTUS.

 

[DB>)>]

I thought the answer was self-evident, in your scenario I'm fine with the 7+1 00 buck that my 870 accommodates. Seriously, I wouldn't need more than two rounds.

I'm guessing you don't live in an urban area (apartment or close in houses) or a house with lots of other people (kids?). My daughter puts it this way - "too messy" if I mention the shotgun I bought during the pandemic... Personally I'm very conscious of overpenetration potential, or unintended impacts to an innocent person. Slugs have intrigued me... still messy, but if they are accurate...