True.
But what is your point? A lot of things fell out of favor in the last two-three hundred years. Shall we review what we should bring back?
Execution of Hasan to be livestreamed
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But what is your point? A lot of things fell out of favor in the last two-three hundred years. Shall we review what we should bring back?
I happen to agree. Overall seems positive. But what is that for?He seems to be doing a pretty good job and he’s the most popular SECDEF since I’ve been alive just about lol. Nobody even said the Secdef’s name on fb once when I was inand he had no military experience I believe
Let's put aside knee jerk reaction about "my team vs their team". What is possible net positive here? For USA?
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The only reason I can think of is to send a message to Islamists in effort to generate a deterance effect.
I doubt that will work as some will probably use the video as a tool showing a true martyr.
Maybe feeding him bacon every morning for the rest of his life while being separated from other inmates to avoid recruitment will drive him nuts and make him end up as a veg. Seems like a worse punishment than a very quick death by rifles.
I doubt that will work as some will probably use the video as a tool showing a true martyr.
Maybe feeding him bacon every morning for the rest of his life while being separated from other inmates to avoid recruitment will drive him nuts and make him end up as a veg. Seems like a worse punishment than a very quick death by rifles.
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Media likes to give him attention for sure... wasn't he an infantry officer that deployed? Most of his changes seem to be on raising standards that have been relaxed the last decade or so. Not sure what the bad part is
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The raising military standards or the live stream part?
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When I joined it was Gates or Panetta, can't even remember Gates and Panetta was a similar officer but from an intel unit... their qualifications seem somewhat similar. Although Panetta had other govt experience like the CIA. It's just funny to me because normie people didn't even know who SECDEF was yet suddenly it's a popular thing... I can't even remember who the SECNAV was lol
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He had a horribly spotty record in the National Guard, is clearly drunk and coked up in public appearances, and does absolutely everything for public perception. Secdef is supposed to be a serious leader, not a Fox News host. It’s not a popularity contest.
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Being too serious brings me down. But if you want to go there... you're best off asking someone smarter than me. I agree with you that much of the 21st century sucks, and I harbor a lot of contempt for the way the current crop of youngsters conducts themselves. But old guys have felt this way since before Aristotle. Before we go waxing about the greatest generation, let's look a little more closely at things that were really going on.
You mentioned executions. We would be remiss to overlook the 3,500 people executed in the twentieth century on the basis of their skin color. But it was ok, because called it "lynching." Sure, they eventually got rid of the practice, but Jim Crow laws and attitudes took over for the majority of the century.
Our government engaged in eugenics, forced sterilization, and disease experimentation on poor people, minorities, and the disabled. We locked up Japanese citizens in prison camps, and stole all their property.
Early on in the century child labor was prevalent. Children were poorly compensated and deprived of educations. Adult workers toiled in dangerous factories and mines. Poverty was rampant.
Our short-sighted foreign policies led to many of the challenges we face today. What should have been a minor Austrian brouhaha resulted in the industrialized slaughter of WWI. Our short sighted perpetual punishment of the losers of that war was the direct cause of the most destructive war in history, WWII. And that set the stage for Korea, Vietnam, and so many other minor dust ups. The century also gave us Stalin, Mao, and all the others.
The 20th century also gave us the Great Depression, industrial waste, superfund sites, DDT, thalidomide, lobotomies, ozone depletion, infant mortality, polio, tuberculosis, and death from diseases that are easily treatable to day.
All the best handguns in the early twentieth century were six-shot revolvers. When semi-autos became popular, they were all single stack, fewer than eight shots, and unreliable. That alone should make you not want to go back. Today is WAY better.
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Parts of that post are fair criticism, but “horribly spotty National Guard record” and especially “clearly drunk and coked up in public appearances” go well beyond what the evidence establishes.
Hegseth’s actual military record is not objectively “horribly spotty.” He served as an Army National Guard infantry officer, deployed to Guantánamo Bay, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and received two Bronze Stars, a Combat Infantryman Badge, an Expert Infantryman Badge, a Joint Commendation Medal, and two Army Commendation Medals. Defense.gov Whatever someone thinks of him politically or as SECDEF, that is a legitimate combat-service résumé.
There was controversy late in his Guard career. He was excluded from Biden’s 2021 inauguration security mission after another officer raised concerns about his tattoos and possible extremist associations. Reporting also says some Guard officials disliked his use of his military role in Fox appearances. But that is quite different from a long record of disciplinary failures, incompetence, NJPs, bad OERs, or being repeatedly relieved from duty. The Washington Post
The drinking issue has more substance, but it still needs careful wording. During his confirmation process, former colleagues and a former sister-in-law alleged excessive drinking and problematic behavior. Hegseth disputed those allegations. They were serious enough to become part of the Senate confirmation controversy, but allegations of heavy drinking are not evidence that he is routinely intoxicated while performing official duties. The Washington Post
The “coked up” claim is much weaker. I cannot find credible reporting establishing that Pete Hegseth uses cocaine, much less that he has appeared publicly under the influence of cocaine. Saying somebody “looks coked up” because they're animated, sweaty, intense, fast-talking, etc. is basically amateur diagnosis from video.
There are plenty of stronger, evidence-based criticisms of his tenure: limited experience managing an organization remotely approaching DoD's scale when appointed, the Signal operational-security controversy, management turmoil, and questions from senators about judgment. Republican Sen. Thom Tillis now says voting to confirm him was the “biggest regret” of his career. AP News
So I'd rate that forum comment roughly:
“Spotty National Guard record” — misleading.
“Heavy-drinking allegations” — yes, documented allegations.
“Clearly drunk in public” — opinion unless tied to a specific incident with evidence.
“Coked up” — unsupported from what I can find.
“Very image/public-perception oriented” — subjective but certainly arguable given his media career.
“SECDEF should be a serious institutional leader rather than a TV personality” — political/judgment opinion, not a factual claim.
The interesting part is that you can criticize Hegseth pretty aggressively without embellishing his military record. His combat résumé is probably one of the least vulnerable parts of his background.
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Big dog, I’m not reading all that, but if you’re a PI, you should be able to recognize when someone is clearly on cocaine.
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I have to go off of real evidence, not wild speculation
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Or DNC talking points.
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It seems like an interesting move to livestream it. Not sure it will have the desired outcome? Maybe it would be seen favorably among terrorist as he is being “immortalized” with this attention.
Is it supposed to be retaliatory to the fact that terrorist organizations televise their executions? (A dose of their own medicine)
One thing that is obvious in our country/culture is the severely deteriorated sense of consequence. What are the consequences of high crimes here in the US? You are pretty much guaranteed 10 years in prison and relatively fair treatment with meals, exercise, a “fair” trial, potential access to free education and usually life in prison or a rare “humane” execution.
Some individuals would rather commit high crimes for a carefree ride in life. No work to pay bills, no struggling to fund healthcare, no struggling to buy groceries, no taxes, no job. Just monotonous daily structure.
The cost of this is staggering to the people. 250k or more a year to incarcerate.
Would fewer people murder or rape if they feared swift justice and the shame of public execution?
Not saying I promote this…
Is it supposed to be retaliatory to the fact that terrorist organizations televise their executions? (A dose of their own medicine)
One thing that is obvious in our country/culture is the severely deteriorated sense of consequence. What are the consequences of high crimes here in the US? You are pretty much guaranteed 10 years in prison and relatively fair treatment with meals, exercise, a “fair” trial, potential access to free education and usually life in prison or a rare “humane” execution.
Some individuals would rather commit high crimes for a carefree ride in life. No work to pay bills, no struggling to fund healthcare, no struggling to buy groceries, no taxes, no job. Just monotonous daily structure.
The cost of this is staggering to the people. 250k or more a year to incarcerate.
Would fewer people murder or rape if they feared swift justice and the shame of public execution?
Not saying I promote this…
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I have to admit I chuckled when I read this. Live stream
What is that for? Again - I do not question execution; I question why it took so long and WTF is the livestream is about?
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Yeah I’m open to critical debate and discourse but name calling people and just making up lies because you don’t agree with them is immature.
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Meaning that they intend to stream it online so that anyone can watch the execution in real time and not just in person. Who knows if it’ll actually happen or not. The vice president seems against itI have to admit I chuckled when I read this. Live stream
Again - I do not question execution; I question why it took so long and WTF is the livestream is about?
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Kinda doubt that. Was the Unitedhealthcare CEO immortalized because his killing was streamed online?
The answer is yes. That's why punishment was severe in the old days.
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Anything I don’t like = DNC talking points
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Well I provided multiple sources for what I stated, if what you said was a real fact and not just a made up talking point what source or proof do you have? Like you said his military service was "horribly spotty record in the National Guard". In which way is this true and correct and not a lie and talking point?
Please advise