Open Request Forum for Discussion of Military Weapons

[ZeroFoxGiven]

lol I wasn't going to go down this hole but I have a solid laugh everytime I see some idiotic sheriffs department buying one of these.


Any sort of remotely coordinated resistance to domestic policing would make easy targets of these things. Huge waste of money zero strategic value.

Millions of dollars to maintain, destroyed by a simple jack stand.

The Govt gives items like this to police as a write off. I forget the procurement name though.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Pretty sure the vast majority of the LE agencies get these at no cost through the DLA LESSO 1033 program. I think the agencies only absorb the cost of shipping, etc.

What's the "jack stand" story, I haven't heard that one?

This^^^

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I remember some police depts getting M16A1 full auto in the 80’s when the Military switched M16A2.

 

[couragewolf]

Pretty sure the vast majority of the LE agencies get these at no cost through the DLA LESSO 1033 program. I think the agencies only absorb the cost of shipping, etc.

What's the "jack stand" story, I haven't heard that one?

Maintenance and operation alone is in the millions annually I reckon.

Funnily enough this is another example of socialism everyone seems to consider the good kind of socialism.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Maintenance and operation alone is in the millions annually I reckon.

Realistically, if they need armored trucks for SWAT/ high risk warrants, etc they should just get old bank armored trucks. Easier maintenance, company gets a write off, common off the shelf parts for replacement etc.

They use to, but Military Equipment looks cooler I guess.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I am 100% against police running around with equipment designed for War. Wrong mind set in the streets of the USA and the optics are bad.

We should not have “militarized police” wether by deed or equipment.

 

[couragewolf]

I am 100% against police running around with equipment designed for War. Wrong mind set in the streets of the USA and the optics are bad.

We should not have “militarized police” wether by deed or equipment.

Nevermind what they're doing to the streets

 

[USMC06RET]

Maintenance and operation alone is in the millions annually I reckon.

Funnily enough this is another example of socialism everyone seems to consider the good kind of socialism.

So, what's the "Jack Stand" story you mentioned. Tell me yours and I will tell you mine about the FB-111 and a crossbow.....

 

[couragewolf]

So, what's the "Jack Stand" story you mentioned. Tell me yours and I will tell you mine about the FB-111 and a crossbow.....

Friend returned from Iraq and told me in their AO a guy with little wood wedges similar to the chalks people use to keep their cars from rolling down hill when they jack em up would just run out from behind walls when those beasts were driving by and toss them out like ghostbusters catching a ghost.

Said they rolled several of them even when they're driving slow speed.

 

[USMC06RET]

Nope. That is a two seater. The quad is a four seater.

Well, if you find it, I would like to see it. I know Polaris also makes a four seater, the MRZR, https://military.polaris.com/en-us/mrzr-alpha/

 

[USMC06RET]

Friend returned from Iraq and told me in their AO a guy with little wood wedges similar to the chalks people use to keep their cars from rolling down hill when they jack em up would just run out from behind walls when those beasts were driving by and toss them out like ghostbusters catching a ghost.

Said they rolled several of them even when they're driving slow speed.

Interesting, I've always thought the center of gravity was a little too high and the wheelbase a little to narrow on the MRAPS. I've not been in one as they were after my time.

 

[DesertDepotArms]

Another one is the M1161 Growler

M1161 Growler - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[USMC06RET]

I remember some police depts getting M16A1 full auto in the 80’s when the Military switched M16A2.

Nothing more comforting than a civilian law enforcement agency using the "spray and pray" approach that was so popular with the A1 in SEA.

 

[Jimi Jah]

I think this is it

Polaris MRZR Alpha | Polaris Government & Defense

The MRZR Alpha is a lightweight tactical vehicle with V-22 transportability, designed for special operations and expeditionary forces.

military.polaris.com

Winner! That's it. Government sales only. Is there a civilian version? It's bad @ss.

 

[USMC06RET]

Another one is the M1161 Growler

M1161 Growler - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Damn, that does look A LOT like a Willys Jeep.

 

[USMC06RET]

Winner! That's it. Government sales only. Is there a civilian version? It's bad @ss.

From the wikipedia article, apparently they can be acquired surplus or at least, they could:
"In February 2019, GovPlanet announced that it will be selling the ITV Growlers to the public for the first time. Growlers will be sold by public auction in March 2019.[14]"

 

[DesertDepotArms]

Winner! That's it. Government sales only. Is there a civilian version? It's bad @ss.

Its just a polaris rzr

 

[DesertDepotArms]

Damn, that does look A LOT like a Willys Jeep.

Kinda huh.

 

[couragewolf]

Winner! That's it. Government sales only. Is there a civilian version? It's bad @ss.

This thing doesn't look incredibly different to the civilian options for these ATV's other than the gun mounts and paint job which are probably about a million times cheaper just to fab.

Its possible there's rigging on them that civ versions don't have for parachuting them in.

 

[couragewolf]

Interesting, I've always thought the center of gravity was a little too high and the wheelbase a little to narrow on the MRAPS. I've not been in one as they were after my time.

There was a period in time where it was absolute taboo to talk about this because it was such a sensitive topic. There's a reason the transition to BEARCATS and whatever that other option is happened so quickly and quietly.