Gear Garmin Xero C1 Pro Chronograph

[ocabj]

You know if you think about it in pure dollars and cents, I will now have $1,500 worth of consumer electronics at the range to replace a $125 CE Pro-Chrono model LTD that worked just fine.

I ditched optical for the Labradar because they are too finnicky with lighting conditions. But if optical works for you at your range, you should just stick with it.

My other complaint with optical chronographs is how unsafe many people can be while setting them up. I have witnessed people walking out in front of the firing line while the line is hot just to setup or adjust a chronograph, as well as violating range rules adjusting their rifles on a bench while cold and people down range.

 

[Malibu]

My other complaint with optical chronographs is how unsafe many people can be while setting them up. I have witnessed people walking out in front of the firing line while the line is hot just to setup or adjust a chronograph, as well as violating range rules adjusting their rifles on a bench while cold and people down range.

Don’t get me started on that. I have had to deal with some total dip-s*h*i*t*s at a growing rate over the past few years at my favorite venue. If I’ve learned one aspect about people and firearms, it is that there is no cure for stupid.

 

[wtf_calguns_migration]

I ditched optical for the Labradar because they are too finnicky with lighting conditions. But if optical works for you at your range, you should just stick with it.

My other complaint with optical chronographs is how unsafe many people can be while setting them up. I have witnessed people walking out in front of the firing line while the line is hot just to setup or adjust a chronograph, as well as violating range rules adjusting their rifles on a bench while cold and people down range.

Tools are just part of a workflow.
People tend to get lost in tunnel vision.

 

[roger_roger]

Tools are just part of a workflow.

Yes, and that work flow must be properly designed or the intended process never sucessfully completes or it is filled with errors. He is what happened to me yesterday at the grocery store:

I placed in my cart a few veggies, some tomatoes, some broccoli, potatoes. I navigated to the checkout line and a pretty young lady smiled at me as she grabbed each item and ran it over the scale for a measurement of its weight. I happened to notice that her name tag was "Ms Garmin" which I thought was odd. So anyway I just stood there and expected her to ask for the payment so I could be on my way. But she did not do that. She handed me a register tag that has a lisitng of all the items weights but no names of the items nor their correlated prices, just a paper tape with a listing of numeric weights. I asked her how much I owed. Her response was. "Oh I guess you did not see my name tag, You are in an isle where the work flow is a little different here. Did you pay attention and make a note with pencil and paper as I weighed each item, you did that didn't you? To see your whole completed bill take my paper tape of numbers and your hand written list and go to see Mr. iPad over there at the store entrance, he is the guy with the cash register, and he will correlate your notes with my measurements and compute the cost there at that separate station and give you a final bill, you then will be all set!"

I protested to her that "I never made those notes so I have nothing to show Mr. iPad" to which she responded "Well not to worry Mr iPad has an auto sync of my paper tape, so all you have to do is have him hand you the iPad and you can stand there and "edit" each line of weight data with the name of the vegetables and you will be all set!" She then paused for a moment and commented "Of course you need to be very careful, as we find that many customers make errors when they talk to Mr iPad, like for example they do not realize that the tape and the sync is not linear from the top down, it is reversed, the last measured items is at the top, so that can be a little confusing, and also sometimes my weigh scale misses or faults to record a measurement, and it does not flag that in any way, so we find that a lot of customers have no way to correctly correlate the weight list with their hand written notes, as that "missing tooth" causes all the items below it to be shifted out of a correctly correlated sequence by one" .. As I walked over to the iPad station I looked back at her and she was waving a finger at me and called out, loud enough for the entire store to hear, "Now You Be Careful over there at the iPad station !!!"

I thanked her, and proceeded to see Mr. IPad. He and I did the best we could with what we had. I was finally able to pay the bill. I fired up the car and went home and handed the paper tape and vegtables to my wife. She looked over the tape and her eyes became very angry. In an irritated tone of voice she said "Damm, you bought 10 lbs of tomatoes and only one pound of potatoes !" - I did not bother to try and explain. I went over to the fridge, grabbed a beer, flopped down in my easy chair and turned on the ball game.

 

[ocabj]

You're free to do what you want to do, but I don't need an iPad to operate the Garmin. Even if I want to see the historical data more easily, I just pull out my phone. For me, my phone is already with me so it's not like an 'optional' piece of gear.

I don't even use iPads for Practiscore. I have a bunch of cheapo Fire tablets that I get on sale for $50 or less for match scoring with Practiscore.

 

[painkiller]

As someone who has reloaded for 20 years now,jesus i need a new chronograph.honestly i have notepads filled to the brim with load development its f’ing maddening!top shelf of my tool box and now the cabinet is loaded with these damned things.its how my gpa did it,and starting in 06 i was like there has to be a better way!

 

[Malibu]

As someone who has reloaded for 20 years now,jesus i need a new chronograph.honestly i have notepads filled to the brim with load development its f’ing maddening!top shelf of my tool box and now the cabinet is loaded with these damned things.its how my gpa did it,and starting in 06 i was like there has to be a better way!

I started reloading back in 1980, and was taught how to keep a journal of all my reloads, with notes. It is organized by caliber and date, with a column for any particular notes and assigned lot #’s for each batch. It is kept in a large 3-ring binder in one of several large filing cabinets chock full of gun related stuff. Yea, it’s a storage issue at this point.

 

[painkiller]

I started reloading back in 1980, and was taught how to keep a journal of all my reloads, with notes. It is organized by caliber and date, with a column for any particular notes and assigned lot #’s for each batch. It is kept in a large 3-ring binder in one of several large filing cabinets chock full of gun related stuff. Yea, it’s a storage issue at this point.

In the same boat.Especially on calibers i dont shoot often but guns inherited from my grandfather.

 

[silvertriple]

Good discussion. Been eyeing one. Honest question, does it read arrows?

 

[Tominnorcal]

Just got my Garmin and tried it for the first time. So much easier than the old tripod chrono! It saved the results in the chrono and also on my iPhone (get the app). About the size of a pack of cigarettes plus a tiny tripod and works great! Gives you all the stats plus Foot Pounds of Energy if you load the bullet grain weight.

It's pricey at $600 but it is much more convenient!