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[Pewpewwagon]

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MP 686-1 Smokeless Rifle Powder - 16 Lbs

Reference Data Caliber - 300 Win Mag Projectile - 175gr HPBT Charge - 74gr Velocity - 2941 fps

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[AR15barrels]

I can't imagine my shoulder would like me shooting enough magnum rifle loads to use up 16lbs of magnum rifle powder before I die.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

oh it's pulled powder with no load data because it's a weird proprietary mix. I'd use pulled powder for 223 plinking loads but the rest of the components in my rifle loads are so expensive that using substandard powder is going to end up costing more in the end. There may be some stuff on that site worth getting though

 

[Sig So Sour of CA]

Americanreloading.com

 

[token]

what's that?

American reloading. Pulldown powder.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

American reloading. Pulldown powder.

LOL not only did the original guy respond, I also responded that it's pulldown powder

 

[Pewpewwagon]

I only buy components that are a good deal. That’s just me. I bought the magpro a few months ago at 40% off and I have loaded about 400 rounds. Powder is great at $16 a pound. Locally 270 WSM is over $100 for 20 rounds. I think Sportsman’s has them for $70. I posted this hoping it could help someone out…

 

[PoorRichRichard]

Does that mean alliant is putting out powder again for consumers?

Yes, albeit very limited amounts.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Yes, albeit very limited amounts.

I sure hope they put out some Steel, I haven't ever seen a substitute for waterfowl loads at 1500 fps

 

[blackhawk556]

Sportsman warehouse is having 15% off their 8# jugs. Brings it in line with several online stores but at least you dont have to pay shipping and haz fees

Saw it in store today.

 

[TFA777]

oh it's pulled powder with no load data because it's a weird proprietary mix. I'd use pulled powder for 223 plinking loads but the rest of the components in my rifle loads are so expensive that using substandard powder is going to end up costing more in the end. There may be some stuff on that site worth getting though

actually not proprietary. I read a good post explaining this.
Basically the military buys powder in bulk. Because of chemistry and variables no 2 batches are ever exactly the same. Canister powder (retail) is made close enough by blending different lots.

For the military they manufacture a large quantity. They then load and test rounds for pressure vs velocity. They keep checking every couple thousand rounds. Sometimes they find the pressure of (same batch, but later in the line) exceeds tolerance. So they pull it, and the rest of the powder they 'trash'. This powder is sold as bulk powder.

So generally these powders will not be consistent jug to jug, likely will have higher pressures than expected (although some have lower, and can't generate enough pressure for the velocity needed vs case capacity). These are then sold to repackagers.

So cheapish, but you have to redo your ladder on every jug, plus pressure is always an open question. I use the powder to make cheap 223 plinking rounds (talking 2700-2800fps from a 16" for 55gr) for courses, where you're shooting under 100yards and just need to hit the target, not for match type ammo. I would NOT push this powder to get max velocity type rounds (think trying to recreate badlands 77gr 556 NATO at 3000fps out of a 16"). Problem with powders is they don't have a 'flat' burning pressure curve, its exponential so small changes can have drastic pressure outcomes.

I miss the days when it was like $160 for 16lbs of the stuff. At $230/16lb its expensive for what it is but canister powder is off the charts expensive.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

actually not proprietary. I read a good post explaining this.
Basically the military buys powder in bulk. Because of chemistry and variables no 2 batches are ever exactly the same. Canister powder (retail) is made close enough by blending different lots.

For the military they manufacture a large quantity. They then load and test rounds for pressure vs velocity. They keep checking every couple thousand rounds. Sometimes they find the pressure of (same batch, but later in the line) exceeds tolerance. So they pull it, and the rest of the powder they 'trash'. This powder is sold as bulk powder.

So generally these powders will not be consistent jug to jug, likely will have higher pressures than expected (although some have lower, and can't generate enough pressure for the velocity needed vs case capacity). These are then sold to repackagers.

So cheapish, but you have to redo your ladder on every jug, plus pressure is always an open question. I use the powder to make cheap 223 plinking rounds (talking 2700-2800fps from a 16" for 55gr) for courses, where you're shooting under 100yards and just need to hit the target, not for match type ammo. I would NOT push this powder to get max velocity type rounds (think trying to recreate badlands 77gr 556 NATO at 3000fps out of a 16"). Problem with powders is they don't have a 'flat' burning pressure curve, its exponential so small changes can have drastic pressure outcomes.

I miss the days when it was like $160 for 16lbs of the stuff. At $230/16lb its expensive for what it is but canister powder is off the charts expensive.

I don't know about the military but "factory" ammo like Hornady does indeed have proprietary blends that they use, they aren't just using brand name powders that we recognize but instead blending based on what is available. Like if you get Hornady Black today it may have a completely different powder than Hornady Black from last year. Not just a variance of the same powder but a completely different powder. The stuff sold on that site is stuff " like Staball 6.5" or whatever, but who knows what that means and who knows what pressure you are actually getting from it because they aren't providing data for it. For people who like to push the pressure curve it seems very sketchy lol.

 

[AR15barrels]

I miss the days when it was like $160 for 16lbs of the stuff. At $230/16lb its expensive for what it is but canister powder is off the charts expensive.

American reloading is asking $225 or $230 for 8 lbs and $410 for 16lbs of pulldown powder.
The world has gone mad.

 

[Randomdudewithguns]

Maybe that explains why my Sport Pistol seems so much dirtier with the exact same loads now as opposed to 7 or 8 years ago or whenever it was that i started using it. I always figured the manufacturer got a formula built up and boom, it was the same from that point on. N320 always was the same as far as i could tell when i was using it. Yet with SP the velocity is virtually the same with the same load data with maybe a 1/10 or 2/10ths gr tweak but sure doesn't seem as clean as it was when i first started using it. Which was why i switched from N320 way back......same load, just as clean but was 1/2 the cost (back then).

Good explanation on your part. Thanks!

I don't know about the military but "factory" ammo like Hornady does indeed have proprietary blends that they use, they aren't just using brand name powders that we recognize but instead blending based on what is available. Like if you get Hornady Black today it may have a completely different powder than Hornady Black from last year. Not just a variance of the same powder but a completely different powder. The stuff sold on that site is stuff " like Staball 6.5" or whatever, but who knows what that means and who knows what pressure you are actually getting from it because they aren't providing data for it. For people who like to push the pressure curve it seems very sketchy lol.

 

[Pewpewwagon]

I paid $246 for 16# of Magpro equivalent at AR. It’s $300 for 8# at Sportmans on sale. I appreciate American Reloading. They keep me shooting every week.