Gt4 vs 2k11

[Hindsight]

Thats good to know. I still haven't gotten my hands on a 2k11 but I recently picked up a GT4 myself.

I had too many p320 mags to not go with it over a 2k11. Still want one tho.

Forgive me for being a noob but what show are y'all talking about??

Not sure which comment this is referring to (regarding the show), but I have to assume based on the date of the conversation this was around the time of the R66 Range Expo where people could test fire the 2K11, Staccato HDs, and Sig P211 models side by side/in the same day.

 

[Hindsight]

P320 mags fit P211

Isn't that what they were saying? They went with the P211 and not the 2K11 because they had existing P320 mags that were compatible. At least that's how I read it.

 

[teabudy]

Not sure which comment this is referring to (regarding the show), but I have to assume based on the date of the conversation this was around the time of the R66 Range Expo where people could test fire the 2K11, Staccato HDs, and Sig P211 models side by side/in the same day.

Thanks! I want to shoot a 2k11 but will probably be forced to blindly buy one. Wish I knew about the expo

 

[teabudy]

Isn't that what they were saying? They went with the P211 and not the 2K11 because they had existing P320 mags that were compatible. At least that's how I read it.

Spot on. Way too many to go to waste even though I still have the x5 legion. It was just a big bonus

 

[Hindsight]

Thanks! I want to shoot a 2k11 but will probably be forced to blindly buy one. Wish I knew about the expo

I'm pretty confident there must be some range within driving distance of you that has one. What part of the state do you live in (so that people can recommend you ranges that might have them). Higher end ranges should have plenty of 2011s - especially on roster models.

 

[Gawernator]

Not sure which comment this is referring to (regarding the show), but I have to assume based on the date of the conversation this was around the time of the R66 Range Expo where people could test fire the 2K11, Staccato HDs, and Sig P211 models side by side/in the same day.

Idk I didn't know what he was asking lol

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Do you guys think that some of the problems that some people are running into with sig 211 gt series or kimber 2k11, whether they are roster or not; are due to lack of GENEROUS APPLICATION of gun oil? Maybe they are treating it like just a lightest sheen of oil; like a duty striker fired polymer frame pistol?

I was listening to someone at my main local go to yesterday complaining about extraction issues in his brand new roster gt5; talking about sending it back to sig. I asked more questions about trying the not California factory 10’sies, but that’s all he had; as in no old p320’s flush fit mags where he can change the baseplate to p211 flush fit baseplate or slightly extended that would fit just fine (both style mags which are standard package elsewhere in free states).

 

[Gawernator]

Do you guys think that some of the problems that some people are running into with sig 211 gt series or kimber 2k11, whether they are roster or not; are due to lack of GENEROUS APPLICATION of gun oil? Maybe they are treating it like just a lightest sheen of oil; like a duty striker fired polymer frame pistol?

I was listening to someone at my local go to yesterday complaining about extraction issues in his brand new roster gt5; talking about sending it back to sig. I asked more questions about trying the not California factory 10’sies, but that’s all he had; as in no old p320’s flush fit mags where he can change the baseplate to p211 flush fit baseplate or slightly extended that would fit just fine (both style mags which are standard package elsewhere in free states).

I keep my 1911 pretty wet and it's always reliable like that

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I keep my 1911 pretty wet and it's always reliable like that

Also, what do you guys think about if these are mass produced, not necessarily hand fitted as much as a staccato or atlas? Do you think, we may need to oil wet, and do more of our own hand fitment, by continuously working the slide whether babying it or man handling that rack, working the trigger, hammer, firing pin, and reset; while watching TV in boxers and house slippers?

 

[Gawernator]

Also, what do you guys think about if these are mass produced, not necessarily hand fitted as much as a staccato or atlas? Where do you think, we may need to oil wet, and do more of our own hand fitment, by continuously working the slide whether babying it or man handling that rack, working the trigger, hammer, firing pin, and reset; while watching TV in boxers and house slippers?

My loose tolerance RIA 1911 is super reliable lol

 

[Hindsight]

Also, what do you guys think about if these are mass produced, not necessarily hand fitted as much as a staccato or atlas? Do you think, we may need to oil wet, and do more of our own hand fitment, by continuously working the slide whether babying it or man handling that rack, working the trigger, hammer, firing pin, and reset; while watching TV in boxers and house slippers?

I think you're fine to just lube it generously, shoot it a bunch, and clean regularly tbh.

Modern staccatos don't get much handfitting nor do most Atlases nowadays compared to either what they were doing before or what custom shops do. That's not necessarily a bad thing as a lot of the cost in a 2011 can come from the man hours of labor of manual labor to hand fit parts. High quality cnc machining can equate to very close tolerances that just need to be checked and any interference areas fitted or gone over if there's an issue. That's lead to higher quality at similar or lower prices for the general market and better lead times on guns and small parts. Case in point - Race City Defense offers a similar approach using mostly Atlas parts and does a very good job of it (probably 90-95% of an Atlas) for half the money or less. Their coatings and CS are kind of not as good though, so there's that.

Anyways, back to the P211, the only type of 2011s that actually needed this were my old custom infinities and some of my full customs that are 100% hand fit. Those suckers are almost so tight they need to wear in to become as reliable as you expect them to be out of the box. But, they do get there eventually.

I think a more production and lower bar to entry gun like the 2K11s, P211s, and Staccato HDs are good for people to dip their feet into and not have to deal with the babying and nuances of ownership that a higher end 2011 sometimes expects you to get a crash course on or suffer for it.

Most of the people buying these new on roster 2011s are doing it because the platform has been hyped up over the past 3-5 years in particular by guntubers, competition shooters, and everyone else online. They want to experience the trigger and shootability, but if they're coming from polymer stiker fired guns they may not want the tradeoffs that come with the platform upmarket or don't know what they don't know.

 

[Gawernator]

I think you're fine to just lube it generously, shoot it a bunch, and clean regularly tbh.

Modern staccatos don't get much handfitting nor do most Atlases nowadays compared to either what they were doing before or what custom shops do. That's not necessarily a bad thing as a lot of the cost in a 2011 can come from the man hours of labor of manual labor to hand fit parts. High quality cnc machining can equate to very close tolerances that just need to be checked and any interference areas fitted or gone over if there's an issue. That's lead to higher quality at similar or lower prices for the general market and better lead times on guns and small parts. Case in point - Race City Defense offers a similar approach using mostly Atlas parts and does a very good job of it (probably 90-95% of an Atlas) for half the money or less. Their coatings and CS are kind of not as good though, so there's that.

Anyways, back to the P211, the only type of 2011s that actually needed this were my old custom infinities and some of my full customs that are 100% hand fit. Those suckers are almost so tight they need to wear in to become as reliable as you expect them to be out of the box. But, they do get there eventually.

I think a more production and lower bar to entry gun like the 2K11s, P211s, and Staccato HDs are good for people to dip their feet into and not have to deal with the babying and nuances of ownership that a higher end 2011 sometimes expects you to get a crash course on or suffer for it.

Most of the people buying these new on roster 2011s are doing it because the platform has been hyped up over the past 3-5 years in particular by guntubers, competition shooters, and everyone else online. They want to experience the trigger and shootability, but if they're coming from polymer stiker fired guns they may not want the tradeoffs that come with the platform upmarket or don't know what they don't know.

Well if that Staccato is a reliable CCW gun they can't be that finicky

 

[Hindsight]

Well if that Staccato is a reliable CCW gun they can't be that finicky

They're not really that finicky in the grand scheme of things and even relative to most factory production striker fired guns at this point. The HD stuff is a bit more reliable in my experience (the gun itself as well as more importantly the mags). There are plenty of people who have documented going to 10k rounds and beyond without cleaning and only adding lube. I'd advise against that as you want a reasonably clean gun in general for the sake of peace of mind and the best assurance you can get from the gun that it'll function as intended.

Also, there's a lot of people who consider the debris and crud that accumulates from shooting so much without cleaning as almost like a lapping compound or abrasive that prematurely contributes to wear on the rails, small parts, and opens up the tolerances quicker than they otherwise should on a relatively nice gun that I presume most people want to have last as long as possible.