"HIGH CAPACITY" MAGS CCW LAPD

[Gawernator]

I think the gun free zone bullet, if it was created using AI, is inaccurate/outdated.

Per the FAQ I think you'd be covered.

CCW Safe FAQs - Memberships, Plans & Support - CCW Safe

If you have questions about CCW Safe memberships, plans, coverage and support, then we have answers. Visit our CCW Safe FAQ Page to learn more.

ccwsafe.com

They do say you're on the hook for separate charges but good to know you're covered for the big one

"A CCW Safe member involved in a self-defense incident regarding a firearm or other weapon will receive benefits, per their specific membership plan, without regard to the member’s location (e.g.,”gun-free zone,” etc.) at the time of the incident.


If you are found in a “gun-free zone” and are charged with other firearm or weapons charge(s), that firearm and/or weapons charge(s) is the responsibility of the member."

 

[cali_jazz]

Very good. Definitely not all subjects which is why I'm always asking questions and learning here!

Analyzing documents though, I'm your guy.

A great wise friend long deceased used to tell me:

"If I could buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, I'd be a very rich man"

 

[Gawernator]

A great wise friend long deceased used to tell me:

"If I could buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, I'd be a very rich man"

As long as the attorneys and insurance companies keep paying me what I'm worth, I'm a happy guy. The Twitter money didn't hurt either I didn't become an intelligence analyst to not analyze everything -

Like you said, I do it for the love of the game. I wonder if she will be found guilty in the new trial, the evidence looked pretty bad against her.

She's still serving a 30 year sentence in prison right now so does it even matter? She will prob die there

 

[dvoncock]

I'm curious too since he is an actual defense attorney but I'm guessing no, I've searched for this before and similar searches and it's almost always internet FUD. The only thing that I think is legit is like having the punisher I'm gonna kill everyone stuff scribbled on your gun. That's just bad optics

Do you have an example of someone being prosecuted or successfully convicted of a defensive shooting event where they employed a standard capacity magazine in a state or IA that has magazine capacity restrictions?

Prosecutors can attempt to spin anything out of anything, but some are more likely and more effective than others and I've yet to hear of a case as outlined in my ask above as I don't think they're really grouped the same way or seen the same way. Do you have examples you could share?

I’ve never come across a published California appellate decision specifically discussing the argument that a non-compliant magazine evidenced premeditation or negated reasonable fear in a self-defense claim. I am aware of one case in particular where the DA made similar arguments, just not specifically about magazine size, to attack a self-defense claim. Confidentiality rules apply so I can’t go into specific details. That was a really sad situation with less than ideal outcome.

Massad Ayoob has discussed this issue a lot. He and his bad toupee, admittedly, seem ridiculous and FUDish, but he still knows what he’s talking about. Ayoob is a former vice chair of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers’ forensics committee and he has testified as a use of force for the defense a bunch. He discusses specific cases in many of his published lectures.

 

[drinktothat421]

All of this is why a membership like CCW safe or similar is valuable, with both criminal and civil cost coverage, and civil liability payments AND bail money. I think my limit is like 1M or 1.5M cash bail

Unless all that negative media that was hitting them about dropping coverage do to the nature of the cases is true. So if your mag is a no good. The insurance can cancel your membership or coverage due to your said crime/broken law?

 

[Gawernator]

Unless all that negative media that was hitting them about dropping coverage do to the nature of the cases is true. So if your mag is a no good. The insurance can cancel your membership or coverage due to your said crime/broken law?

Which case? They have successfully defended murder cases. Also CCWsafe is not an insurance policy it's a membership service. You must be thinking of the USCCA coverage. I'm not sure if they have dropped anyone except for Giles, who pretty clearly killed her husband in pre-meditation so they didn't cover her ultimately. That's why she is currently rotting away in prison.

 

[Nowhereman89]

Freedom Week used as defense for California man facing gun magazine charges

There's a unique legal challenge to a serious charge in Central California that could have an impact on the enforcement of a gun law across the state.

abc7news.com

I wonder how this case turned out. Seemed like the judge at least at this stage didn't give much credence to the "freedom week" defense.

 

[cali_jazz]

Freedom Week used as defense for California man facing gun magazine charges

There's a unique legal challenge to a serious charge in Central California that could have an impact on the enforcement of a gun law across the state.

abc7news.com

I wonder how this case turned out. Seemed like the judge at least at this stage didn't give much credence to the "freedom week" defense.

Well known case, he was found "Factually Innocent"

South Valley man facing gun magazine charges found 'factually innocent'

A Tulare County judge has found Pheng Yang factually innocent in this case, after the case was dismissed on June 25th.

abc30.com

 

[Gawernator]

I’ve never come across a published California appellate decision specifically discussing the argument that a non-compliant magazine evidenced premeditation or negated reasonable fear in a self-defense claim. I am aware of one case in particular where the DA made similar arguments, just not specifically about magazine size, to attack a self-defense claim. Confidentiality rules apply so I can’t go into specific details. That was a really sad situation with less than ideal outcome.

Massad Ayoob has discussed this issue a lot. He and his bad toupee, admittedly, seem ridiculous and FUDish, but he still knows what he’s talking about. Ayoob is a former vice chair of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers’ forensics committee and he has testified as a use of force for the defense a bunch. He discusses specific cases in many of his published lectures.

He's very old school but def trustworthy on those legal topics. I've been catching up on his videos but I have noticed a lot of the cases he cites are very old, often the 70's or 80's so I do wonder how they'll even apply today. Public opinion changes over time

 

[Nowhereman89]

Well known case, he was found "Factually Innocent"

South Valley man facing gun magazine charges found 'factually innocent'

A Tulare County judge has found Pheng Yang factually innocent in this case, after the case was dismissed on June 25th.

abc30.com

Very good thanks!

 

[Gawernator]

Very good thanks!

lol so much bull in that article about them pretending to support the 2A meanwhile they pursue felony charges against a regular guy, but if it was a multiple time violent felon that charge is getting dropped so fast as the guy gets probation only

 

[dvoncock]

lol so much bull in that article about them pretending to support the 2A meanwhile they pursue felony charges against a regular guy, but if it was a multiple time violent felon that charge is getting dropped so fast as the guy gets probation only

If he’d been a multiple felon, he’ve probably been charged with felon in possession for the firearm

The subtext to that whole case, IMO, was the sheriff and DA being pissed that he possessed a firearm while cohabitating with his brother, who was a parolee.

 

[Gawernator]

If he’d been a multiple felon, he’ve probably been charged with felon in possession for the firearm

The subtext to that whole case, IMO, was the sheriff and DA being pissed that he possessed a firearm while cohabitating with his brother, who was a parolee.

Isn’t that at least a mandatory prison sentence? I’ve been hella jaded since I saw a guy get probation only and time served for a serious theft felony charge in sac county. Rrreeeeeee

 

[miles888]

I use AOR Attorney's On Retainer. I don't trust insurance companies to not drop me the way CCW Safe dropped Kayla Giles.

The second bullet below in particular should interest you.


California's strict legal environment makes AOR a highly attractive choice due to its lack of exclusions.

• The "Gun-Free Zone" Catch-22: California heavily restricts where you can legally carry. If you accidentally step onto a prohibited property (like a park, public gathering, or a business with improper signage) and are forced to defend yourself, CCW Safe may deny coverage because you technically violated a local weapon law. AOR will defend you anyway, even in restricted zones.
• The "Illegal Configuration" Trap: If your firearm is found to violate California's highly restrictive rules (e.g., an unapproved modification or a magazine compliance issue) during an incident, an insurance-backed plan can dropped you for a "criminal act". Because AOR is a criminal defense law firm, they will legally defend you regardless of weapon status.
• Plea Bargains are Protected: California prosecutors are notoriously aggressive and often offer plea deals to lesser charges. If you accept a plea deal under CCW Safe, it can muddy your coverage. AOR continues to defend you through plea negotiations without recouping fees.
  
  CCW Safe covers you for damages in a civil suit (assuming they find you acted 100% legally) , AOR does not. This is why I carry a 1M umbrella liability policy as well.

What of the pro hoc vice situation by not living in Arizona?

I use FLP, but am thinking of getting a second service for more comprehensive coverage

 

[cali_jazz]

What of the pro hoc vice situation by not living in Arizona?

I use FLP, but am thinking of getting a second service for more comprehensive coverage

Pro hac vice is a good question and worth understanding before relying on any program. An attorney who is not licensed in the state where the case is filed has to seek permission from that court to appear in that matter. That process is usually routine, but it is still a court approval process and often requires association with local counsel.

How the program handle's that process, who handles the local-law issues, and who is actually going to be your lead counsel if something happens are all good questions to ask. This is one of the reasons I think people should compare the details of each program carefully. Different models solve the problem differently, and the details matter more than the marketing.

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[dvoncock]

Isn’t that at least a mandatory prison sentence? I’ve been hella jaded since I saw a guy get probation only and time served for a serious theft felony charge in sac county. Rrreeeeeee

Depends. The triad for most felony possessions is 16/2/3. Some are state prison sentences, others ae served in local custody. Probation eligibility depends on a defendant’s record.

 

[cali_jazz]

Danggg she got off lol. More coverage especially with cash bail is important to me, and their military plan is cheap

Thanks for the clarification on CCW Safe. I agree I was too broad in calling it "insurance." The distinction between the criminal defense membership and the separate civil liability insurance component is important.

I also want to correct myself on the Kayla Giles case. After digging into it more, I realized there has been a lot of confusion around what actually happened. The Louisiana Supreme Court did vacate her murder conviction over the jury instruction issue and sent it back for further proceedings, but that was not an acquittal and the charges were not simply dropped.

The later proceedings addressed the remaining issues, including the obstruction conviction, and the Third Circuit ultimately left the conviction and sentence in place.

Not to minimize the importance of the Supreme Court ruling, it did clarify an important issue regarding self-defense instructions. But I think many people, myself included, saw "conviction vacated" and assumed it meant the case was over.

What surprises me is that AOR covered the Supreme Court decision extensively, but I haven't seen much discussion about what happened afterward. I'm genuinely curious what their take is on the final outcome and where things stand now.

 

[Gawernator]

Thanks for the clarification on CCW Safe. I agree I was too broad in calling it "insurance." The distinction between the criminal defense membership and the separate civil liability insurance component is important.

I also want to correct myself on the Kayla Giles case. After digging into it more, I realized there has been a lot of confusion around what actually happened. The Louisiana Supreme Court did vacate her murder conviction over the jury instruction issue and sent it back for further proceedings, but that was not an acquittal and the charges were not simply dropped.

The later proceedings addressed the remaining issues, including the obstruction conviction, and the Third Circuit ultimately left the conviction and sentence in place.

Not to minimize the importance of the Supreme Court ruling, it did clarify an important issue regarding self-defense instructions. But I think many people, myself included, saw "conviction vacated" and assumed it meant the case was over.

What surprises me is that AOR covered the Supreme Court decision extensively, but I haven't seen much discussion about what happened afterward. I'm genuinely curious what their take is on the final outcome and where things stand now.

Her google searches on the laptop she tried to hide are pretty damning, and signing up for CCW insurance a day before lol

As for AOW, I was pretty surprised. They have done a really good job of controlling the narrative on the case, by reading forums and reddit I assumed USCCA were total bad guys, she was innocent and AOW is way better. But they didn't mention all the evidence against her, that she was convicted etc