JUGGERNAUT JTE-15 SSP

[jay-elz]

So I picking up my Juggernat JT-15SSP in about a week. This is my first AR. Any guidance or rec’s on improving the stock set up outside of Dot, light & angled foregrip?

 

[beardo]

Are you buying a new one or like PPTing one that's in semi? I see that you mentioned this is your first AR so I just wanted to make sure you are aware that the JT15 SSP AR pistol is a single shot and NOT a semi from the factory. I mean nothing bad about it, you can always throw a semi upper on it to make it semi but just saying that I don't know of anyone who bought the JT15 SSP and kept it in the single shot form.

 

[davethebull]

if this is the Single Shot,
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[jay-elz]

if this is the Single Shot,
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Its def a single shot. I went this route to understand the AR platform and learn from there before I go building my own. So if im reading this correctly, i would need to buy a Semi Auto upper and run the “grey area” with a maglock. The AR has so many damn rules and regs thats why I want to understand it better.

 

[jay-elz]

Are you buying a new one or like PPTing one that's in semi? I see that you mentioned this is your first AR so I just wanted to make sure you are aware that the JT15 SSP AR pistol is a single shot and NOT a semi from the factory. I mean nothing bad about it, you can always throw a semi upper on it to make it semi but just saying that I don't know of anyone who bought the JT15 SSP and kept it in the single shot form.

I bought a new one with the understanding that its a single shot. Since im new to this platform, I wanted to make sure, is buying a semi auto upper the only option when it comes to the single shot to semi auto conversion.

 

[beardo]

I bought a new one with the understanding that its a single shot. Since im new to this platform, I wanted to make sure, is buying a semi auto upper the only option when it comes to the single shot to semi auto conversion.

Gotcha. Basically you have two options now. Buy a semi auto upper and slap it on the lower while keeping the original one aside (or maybe sell it if you don't need it?). Or you can actually convert the "single shot" upper that came with it into a semi auto by adding gas block and all that. TBH if I were you, I would just keep the single shot upper aside so that later down the line, if needed, you can sell the single shot upper as "unfired" with the JT lower as a set and it's easier to get rid of. But you can't go wrong with either TBH.

Btw, don't listen to this for now but down the line as you start getting more AR pistols, look up the SSE route so you can basically get pretty much an "virgin" lowers and make it into a pistol lower and then slap a matching upper. As in you can basically get your own full Geissele, LMT, Daniel Defense, etc. AR pistols this way.

 

[Skilly]

I bought a new one with the understanding that its a single shot. Since im new to this platform, I wanted to make sure, is buying a semi auto upper the only option when it comes to the single shot to semi auto conversion.

the JT set up already comes equipped with the maglock. Those use their rear pin and the Hogue kit for the maglock function. Its the better system than what their off the shelf kit is because you still get the functioning bolt catch and 'last round open' etc.

The downside of their kit is clearing a jam. With the bolt locked back, the system separates the upper/lower, but not enough to clear the mag - so you have a bunch of extra steps to clear up a double feed etc.

 

[RustVendor]

getting a pistol as your first AR is definitely hard mode, there's a lot more rules and restrictions and you will discover that short barrels in 556 create a lot more concussion and recoil. But, all you need to to get it going in semi auto is replace the barrel and add a gas block and tube ( I believe the barrel has no gas hole?). I would go this route so you can learn how to do your own builds, you don't need a crazy amount of tools just an action rod that goes into a vise to hold the barrel so you can remove/torque the barrel nut. You can also just buy an upper but it will cost a lot more and you won't learn anything and be wasting parts that you already have. Not sure why you would want to keep the single shot upper "new" because nobody wants a single shot upper, it serves a very specific legal purpose and that's it.

 

[davethebull]

Also, check with your range and their rules for AR Pistols. Some of them require you to present paperwork stating that it is a pistol. Even for a juggernaut ssp smh .

 

[Joker67]

If a range requires paperwork for you to fire a gun, that’s a range to be avoided.

 

[davethebull]

If a range requires paperwork for you to fire a gun, that’s a range to be avoided.

Yes, to @RustVendor ‘s point about hard mode. I mean it’s not that big of a problem but still things to consider. Personally, I think he should get 2-3 at least. Just make sure to learn the requirements.

 

[jay-elz]

getting a pistol as your first AR is definitely hard mode, there's a lot more rules and restrictions and you will discover that short barrels in 556 create a lot more concussion and recoil. But, all you need to to get it going in semi auto is replace the barrel and add a gas block and tube ( I believe the barrel has no gas hole?). I would go this route so you can learn how to do your own builds, you don't need a crazy amount of tools just an action rod that goes into a vise to hold the barrel so you can remove/torque the barrel nut. You can also just buy an upper but it will cost a lot more and you won't learn anything and be wasting parts that you already have. Not sure why you would want to keep the single shot upper "new" because nobody wants a single shot upper, it serves a very specific legal purpose and that's it.

Definitely finding that out. Appreciate the direction this is what im looking for. I want to learn to make it what I want by doing it myself so i understand the process and inner workings so when im ready to build one i know wth im doing hit me with a list of parts and tools needed, if you dont mind,
From your perspective:

 

[RustVendor]

Definitely finding that out. Appreciate the direction this is what im looking for. I want to learn to make it what I want by doing it myself so i understand the process and inner workings so when im ready to build one i know wth im doing hit me with a list of parts and tools needed, if you dont mind,
From your perspective:

It's not hard at all if you can work on cars or anything else, but surprisingly a lot of people don't have any interest in learning. I've never bought an assembled AR I built mine from the very beginning. The tools that you will need are an action wrench like the midwest action rod or similar, a small vice to put that in (the first AR I built I literally had it loose on the floor just standing on the sides), an assortment of punches, an assortment of allen wrenches and torx bits, a torque wrench is usefull but not 100% necessary if you work on cars because the torque spec for barrels is like 30-80 ft lbs which basically means - do it tight but not too tight. And also you need a wrench for the barrel nut, I have no idea what the Juggernaut uses every brand is different these days and very few are mil spec so it's almost a waste to buy a mil spec armorers wrench. Most new handguards will come with some kind of wrench if it's a proprietary style or it's often just a regular wrench flat. For a barrel you really don't need anything super expensive. I would probably try to stick to like 11.5" and up, the shorter you go the less reliable it will be. Then you should read up on gas tube length and dwell time, essentially this is the relationship of the gas tube length to the total length of the barrel. The longer the gas length the softer the gas impulse required because it essentially spreads out the volume of gas needed to cycle the bolt. But, the gas only enters the gas tube during the time the bullet passes the gas port to the time it exits the barrel, so if that's too short it can be hard to get enough gas. There are some 11.5 inch Rosco barrels that have a slightly longer gas tube length than normal and will be a bit softer, they call it "patrol" gas instead of the normal Carbine length gas. Either way, it's a bit tricky to find barrels because of the new state law where they have to go through an FFL but if you look around online a lot of places still ship here like Primary Arms, AR15 Discounts, Optics Planet etc. Then you will just need a gas tube that corresponds with the gas length of the barrel and a gas block, there are a ton of videos online on how to install those. Then just read up on buffer tuning. and thats it haha.