Question Just questions regarding brings guns to California and also selling.

[snowbaby]

I am seeking clarification on California's firearm laws as I plan to move to the state. I am originally from California but currently hold an out-of-state ID.

1. If I bring my off-roster Glocks into California, will I be able to sell them privately despite not having a California ID?
2. I understand private sales must be processed through a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder. (Or what I have heard) What specific paperwork would be required to sell these firearms?
3. Regarding magazines, I know the standard capacity magazines (over 10 rounds) are generally prohibited. Should I sell these before entering the state, or are there legal provisions for bringing them in? Including rifle magazines.
4. Finally, without a California ID, I won’t be able to purchase ammunition so can I bring mine is there a limit?

Any insight into the legality of bringing these items into the state would be greatly appreciated.
Also what about a arp I know for people in California they have to register there lowers and stuff would I have to do that if mine is fully built I intend to add a pro mag before bringing it into the state.

 

[cali_jazz]

I am seeking clarification on California's firearm laws as I plan to move to the state. I am originally from California but currently hold an out-of-state ID.

1. If I bring my off-roster Glocks into California, will I be able to sell them privately despite not having a California ID?

No, you need a valid CA DL or ID to sell them

2. I understand private sales must be processed through a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder. (Or what I have heard) What specific paperwork would be required to sell these firearms?

Valid California Driver's License or ID


3. Regarding magazines, I know the standard capacity magazines (over 10 rounds) are generally prohibited. Should I sell these before entering the state, or are there legal provisions for bringing them in? Including rifle magazines.

Sell them. Illegal to import magazines >10 rounds

4. Finally, without a California ID, I won’t be able to purchase ammunition so can I bring mine is there a limit?

Yes, you can bring your ammo, no limit

Any insight into the legality of bringing these items into the state would be greatly appreciated.
Also what about a arp I know for people in California they have to register there lowers and stuff would I have to do that if mine is fully built I intend to add a pro mag before bringing it into the state.

You must ensure your ARP is in a CA-compliant configuration and not an "assault weapon". Fixed magazine IE: Compmag, no threaded barrel.

Within 60 days of becoming a resident, you must register the firearm with the California Department of Justice using the New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership (BOF 4010A)

NALNLA (Not a lawyer, not legal advise)

 

[DEADPOOL1977]

I am seeking clarification on California's firearm laws as I plan to move to the state. I am originally from California but currently hold an out-of-state ID.

1. If I bring my off-roster Glocks into California, will I be able to sell them privately despite not having a California ID?
2. I understand private sales must be processed through a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder. (Or what I have heard) What specific paperwork would be required to sell these firearms?
3. Regarding magazines, I know the standard capacity magazines (over 10 rounds) are generally prohibited. Should I sell these before entering the state, or are there legal provisions for bringing them in? Including rifle magazines.
4. Finally, without a California ID, I won’t be able to purchase ammunition so can I bring mine is there a limit?

Any insight into the legality of bringing these items into the state would be greatly appreciated.
Also what about a arp I know for people in California they have to register there lowers and stuff would I have to do that if mine is fully built I intend to add a pro mag before bringing it into the state.

1. You can keep or sell off roster, but the CA ID is a question for an FFL. Just make a call.
2. FFL takes care of it all.
3. You just transfer magazines before entering the FFL since they can't transfer standard that are not pinned. That way new buyer benefits from having standard magazines which are legal to own in CA.
4. The ammunition law was found unconstitutional, but CA will write more unconstitutional laws as well as fight in court for next 10-50 years because they have tax dollars stolen from the people to pay for the court cases and infringements!! You can buy from velocityammosales.com and get delivered to your door. I just did it. Definitely bring your own ammo!!

 

[cali_jazz]

1. You can keep or sell off roster, but the CA ID is a question for an FFL. Just make a call.
2. FFL takes care of it all.
3. You just transfer magazines before entering the FFL since they can't transfer standard that are not pinned. That way new buyer benefits from having standard magazines which are legal to own in CA.
4. The ammunition law was found unconstitutional, but CA will write more unconstitutional laws as well as fight in court for next 10-50 years because they have tax dollars stolen from the people to pay for the court cases and infringements!! You can buy from velocityammosales.com and get delivered to your door. I just did it. Definitely bring your own ammo!!

I answered his questions inline above. https://caguns.net/threads/just-que...california-and-also-selling.27220/post-116434

He's coming from out of state. He cannot legally import mags >10 rds

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I am seeking clarification on California's firearm laws as I plan to move to the state. I am originally from California but currently hold an out-of-state ID.

1. If I bring my off-roster Glocks into California, will I be able to sell them privately despite not having a California ID?
2. I understand private sales must be processed through a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder. (Or what I have heard) What specific paperwork would be required to sell these firearms?
3. Regarding magazines, I know the standard capacity magazines (over 10 rounds) are generally prohibited. Should I sell these before entering the state, or are there legal provisions for bringing them in? Including rifle magazines.
4. Finally, without a California ID, I won’t be able to purchase ammunition so can I bring mine is there a limit?

Any insight into the legality of bringing these items into the state would be greatly appreciated.
Also what about a arp I know for people in California they have to register there lowers and stuff would I have to do that if mine is fully built I intend to add a pro mag before bringing it into the state.

Did you mean comp mag or actually pro mag? You said pro mag, that’s an aftermarket mag company that is popular in making aftermarket stendo’s and drums, but it’s a hit and miss; they do nothing for compliance.

So, for semi auto ARP’s, since it has a magazine well that is not within the hand grip, they need have some sort of fixed mag device, comp mag for AR-15 is easiest and least intrusive to the firearm (installing it) since the new gen 3’s you just insert the proprietary mag.

There is another way to bring them in; bring it disassembled (separate upper and lower) and dros it as semi auto pistol receiver/frame only. This is common for semi auto pistols where nobody has made a compliant fixed mag device for it yet or it’s hard to make compliant without damaging the value of the firearm such as drilling a hole and rivet though the magwell to pin the magazine to the firearm. A easy example is a stribog 9mm semi auto pistol; not rifle. It would just be easier to dros it as semi auto receiver than Jerry rig the fixed mag solution.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I think if you are moving to Cali, it’s a good idea to become familiar with California Senate bill 23 which is AW characteristics. There are the characteristics and also specific banned by make and models.

This portion down there I am copy and pasting is about semi auto pistols whether it does or does not have a fixed magazine. The fixed mag compliance is really just to comply with California AW laws; while some pistols don’t need it.

Any semi auto pistol with a magazine well not within the handgrip needs to have a fixed magazine; you can have those other features in the list if it’s fixed magazine. So, examples would be like ARP, AK pistols, mp5 clone pistols, hk53 or Hk51 clone pistols, cz scorpion micro 3+, beretta pmx, Kriss vector sdp pistol gen 2 or 3, stribog pistol, B&T apc or ghm series, and etc.

Assault Weapon Characteristics

Effective January 1, 2000, Senate Bill 23, Statutes of 1999, established new criteria for defining assault weapons based on generic characteristics. This bill allowed and required persons who owned/possessed firearms that fall under the new "assault weapon" definition to register those firearms...

oag.ca.gov

“A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
A second handgrip.
A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.”

 

[snowbaby]

I think if you are moving to Cali, it’s a good idea to become familiar with California Senate bill 23 which is AW characteristics. There are the characteristics and also specific banned by make and models.

Assault Weapon Characteristics

Effective January 1, 2000, Senate Bill 23, Statutes of 1999, established new criteria for defining assault weapons based on generic characteristics. This bill allowed and required persons who owned/possessed firearms that fall under the new "assault weapon" definition to register those firearms...

oag.ca.gov

This portion I am copy and pasting is about semi auto pistols whether it does or does not have a fixed magazine. The fixed mag compliance is really just to comply with California AW laws; while some pistols don’t need it.

Any semi auto pistol with a magazine well not within the handgrip needs to have a fixed magazine; you can have those other features in the list if it’s fixed magazine. So, examples would be like ARP, AK pistols, mp5 or other roller delayed variant clone pistols, cz scorpion micro 3+, beretta pmx, Kriss vector sdp pistol gen 2 or 3, and etc.

Assault Weapon Characteristics

Effective January 1, 2000, Senate Bill 23, Statutes of 1999, established new criteria for defining assault weapons based on generic characteristics. This bill allowed and required persons who owned/possessed firearms that fall under the new "assault weapon" definition to register those firearms...

oag.ca.gov

“A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
A second handgrip.
A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.”

Yeah I meant a comp mag I’m ordering some for my arps