New glock “V” model, gen6, CA MOS leaked on GSSF prize list?

[Tere_Hanges]

A reworked trigger and slide is fine but will the CA version also have an LCI and a mag disconnect? Is so then some would say the gen 3 is superior.

It will have to have a CLI and MDM to get on the roster. Personally, if the MDM is easily removable, it's optic ready, has a better trigger, and doesn't have finger grooves, I think it's superior to a gen 3. I could honestly care less about a CLI. My 100-year-old German Lugers have CLIs. Are they necessary? No. Do I give a chit? No. Glocks are tools, not art pieces. You want something that looks pretty, get a 1911. Besides, it's not going to take long before everyone and their brother starts offering compatible parts and services to trick these ponies out a la Zev circa 2010s.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

A reworked trigger and slide is fine but will the CA version also have an LCI and a mag disconnect? Is so then some would say the gen 3 is superior.

there's no way, its going to be modeled on gen 5 so will have integrated beavertail, front slide serrations, optic ready, better barrel, better trigger, probably even better trigger than gen 5 since they have to get rid of the stupid cruciform and the mag disconnect will almost certainly be removable. Also will have more models available like the 47 and 45.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

there's no way, its going to be modeled on gen 5 so will have integrated beavertail, front slide serrations, optic ready, better barrel, better trigger, probably even better trigger than gen 5 since they have to get rid of the stupid cruciform and the mag disconnect will almost certainly be removable. Also will have more models available like the 47 and 45.

The more you think about it, the more it becomes an opportunity to finally have something much better than a gen 3. If anything, CA should be kicking themselves for motivating Glock to bring to market a better weapon.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

The more you think about it, the more it becomes an opportunity to finally have something much better than a gen 3. If anything, CA should be kicking themselves for motivating Glock to bring to market a better weapon.

The whole situation is funny because the only reason there were glock switchable pistols here in the first place is because of the roster, like glock literally only made gen 3 for CA and fixed gen 5 so that you couldn't switch them. But they had to outlaw them specifically for glock to make a change and update it. Regulation has to be dynamic and relevant and include stakeholders otherwise you get stupid situations like this where even by their own metrics they had less "safe" pistols precisely because of their own regulation.

 

[Ron Swanson]

It will have to have a CLI and MDM to get on the roster. Personally, if the MDM is easily removable, it's optic ready, has a better trigger, and doesn't have finger grooves, I think it's superior to a gen 3. I could honestly care less about a CLI. My 100-year-old German Lugers have CLIs. Are they necessary? No. Do I give a chit? No. Glocks are tools, not art pieces. You want something that looks pretty, get a 1911. Besides, it's not going to take long before everyone and their brother starts offering compatible parts and services to trick these ponies out a la Zev circa 2010s.

Yeah I really want to know what the MDM is like, hoping its easily removable. Once all those companies start offering V slides, out of state non LCI ones may come available for a good price if that really bothers you.

I don't know if I'm blowing the MDM thing out of proportion, but my current stance is I don't want to have the majority of my pistols with no MDM and then one or two new ones with it. I have my safe clearing routine and don't feel like changing that. I know someone out there is thinking "Its not as bad as you think"....lol.

 

[clantongang4]

This guy seemed to have some relevant information.

 

[cali_jazz]

This guy seemed to have some relevant information.

Just watched this as well. He seems to know someone (David) at Glock although not a direct statement from them:

TL/DR:

'V' is just a replacement for the current Gen 5 name in a Roman numeral. (Don't know if the Roman naming convention will continue)

Parts that are changing:

• Trigger mechanism housing
• Ejector
• Firing pin
• Internal slide milling
• Rear striker plate

Magazines backward compatible? Yes

Rationale: "better part commonality" amongst models

Follows then is discussion on how much the lawsuits are driving this vs Glock forced to compete/innovate now that their design is no longer proprietary and others are building better, cheaper versions.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

Follows then is discussion on how much the lawsuits are driving this vs Glock forced to compete/innovate now that their design is no longer proprietary and others are building better, cheaper versions.

Not all of the clones are cheaper: Zev and Shadow Systems. Except for the stupid MOS system, the gen 5 is a very nice gun, dare I say the perfect Glock. If they can improve on that with the V and get it on the roster, Im all for it. I'll sell one of my gen 3s to buy one. Then if a gen 6 comes out, I'll buy one of those too. I might even sell one of my extra gen 3s now while people are panic buying them. Of course I'll wait until theres no inventory.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Just watched this as well. He seems to know someone (David) at Glock although not a direct statement from them:

TL/DR:

'V' is just a replacement for the current Gen 5 name in a Roman numeral. (Don't know if the Roman naming convention will continue)

Parts that are changing:

• Trigger mechanism housing
• Ejector
• Firing pin
• Internal slide milling
• Rear striker plate

Magazines backward compatible? Yes

Rationale: "better part commonality" amongst models

Follows then is discussion on how much the lawsuits are driving this vs Glock forced to compete/innovate now that their design is no longer proprietary and others are building better, cheaper versions.

also remember that the roster was defacto closed until only a few years ago when the courts struck down the microstamping requirement. Glock has also attempted to fix the switch issue on their own for gen 5 years ago. The changes could simply be the rightfully not wanting to continue production of gen 3s and have likely been in the works for a long time.

 

[treelogger]

It will have to have a CLI and MDM to get on the roster.

Interestingly, the Glock ban law has a little loop hole (or trap door?) that allows Glock to put the current models back on the roster WITHOUT adding mag disconnect and loaded chamber indicator, if they just fix the ability to take a happy switch (a.k.a. cruciform trigger). So it COULD be that the Gen V models are just that. It could also be that they'll the Gen V is an attempt to clean up all their product line into a smaller set of part numbers, trying to serve all (or many/most) markets with a coherent product line.

At this point, we don't know yet what the Gen V is really going to be, nor how they will handle the roster. Or whether there will be an attempt (by Glock or others) to lift the Glock ban using the courts. We just got a big signal from the Supreme Court that they are not currently interested in gun bans (they didn't take an AW case), but are interested in civil rights / procedural issues (the marijuana ban case). From a constitutional legal theory viewpoint, that makes sense, since otherwise gun control law (like AW or 10-round bans) is casuistry, and too boring for the Supreme Court.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

Interestingly, the Glock ban law has a little loop hole (or trap door?) that allows Glock to put the current models back on the roster WITHOUT adding mag disconnect and loaded chamber indicator, if they just fix the ability to take a happy switch (a.k.a. cruciform trigger). So it COULD be that the Gen V models are just that.

Yup Im aware of that but I highly doubt the Vs will be "fixed" gen 3s. Guessing the Vs will be "fixed" gen 5s. Hence why Glock chose the Roman numeral "V" for the number "5". And of course the CA compliant Vs will have a CLI and MDM because they will need to be on the roster.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Yup Im aware of that but I highly doubt the Vs will be "fixed" gen 3s. Guessing the Vs will be "fixed" gen 5s. Hence why Glock chose the Roman numeral "V" for the number "5". And of course the CA compliant Vs will have a CLI and MDM because they will need to be on the roster.

If they're smart they'll just have one SKU for all 10 round models so it's the same for all limited magazine states. It will be good for us too because then there will be competition on pricing

 

[Enthused]

Gen 3s will always be a classic, and I personally like the finger grooves. If the Gen V is really good though I'll probably buy one or two. The reviews will drop very quickly once they hit the market.

 

[ugimports]

If they're smart they'll just have one SKU for all 10 round models so it's the same for all limited magazine states. It will be good for us too because then there will be competition on pricing

That would be a supply chain nightmare.... how would I know what I was ordering if they all had the same SKU?

Here's what 1 distributor is showing:

 

[Deleted member 16735]

That would be a supply chain nightmare.... how would I know what I was ordering if they all had the same SKU?

Here's what 1 distributor is showing:
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The SKU would be for the individual models i.e. Glock 19 etc. like the CA models for other pistols are generally not the same SKU as the ten rounder, for the M&p for instance. But it would be simpler for manufacturers as well as better for CA for it to be as universal as possible. Just make the safety features removable for anyone who doesn't want them.

 

[ugimports]

The SKU would be for the individual models i.e. Glock 19 etc. like the CA models for other pistols are generally not the same SKU as the ten rounder, for the M&p for instance. But it would be simpler for manufacturers as well as better for CA for it to be as universal as possible. Just make the safety features removable for anyone who doesn't want them.

Do you mean some other part designation? The SKU is "an alphanumeric code assigned to a specific product to help a business track inventory" (from a googled definition). If they used the same SKU for all 10 round products (CA vs non-CA) and the configurations were different then inventory could not be tracked. If, however, they were the exact same pistol (inclusive of LCI/MD, etc..) then they probably would be the same SKU since they wouldn't have to distinguish inventory differently. That is what they previously did with the Gen3s. The 10 round version of the Gen3s was the same across the nation.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Do you mean some other part designation? The SKU is "an alphanumeric code assigned to a specific product to help a business track inventory" (from a googled definition). If they used the same SKU for all 10 round products (CA vs non-CA) and the configurations were different then inventory could not be tracked. If, however, they were the exact same pistol (inclusive of LCI/MD, etc..) then they probably would be the same SKU since they wouldn't have to distinguish inventory differently. That is what they previously did with the Gen3s. The 10 round version of the Gen3s was the same across the nation.

I'm saying they should all be the same configuration so all ten round models will be the same in and out of CA. Yes, just like Glock gen 3

 

[Tere_Hanges]

I'm saying they should all be the same configuration so all ten round models will be the same in and out of CA. Yes, just like Glock gen 3

But its probably cheaper to produce 10rd models the same as standard cap models just with 10rd mags because the CLI and MDM for CA add to the cost.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

But its probably cheaper to produce 10rd models the same as standard cap models just with 10rd mags because the CLI and MDM for CA add to the cost.

The parts are probably the same price or very cheap, could actually save money by simplifying the product lines. Plus it's future proofed if other states also want those annoying features.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

The parts are probably the same price or very cheap, could actually save money by simplifying the product lines. Plus it's future proofed if other states also want those annoying features.

But what about people in states that dont require CLI and MDM? Just give them a gun with CLI, warning label, MDM and standard cap mags? So your saying Glock should just make all their guns with CLIs, warning label, and MDMs as standard? By that line of thinking Glock might as well only make 10rd mags too.

My point is if Glock is going to make a "free state" version without all the CA roster crap, it would be more efficient to also sell those with 10rd mags for states that are restricted to 10rds. There is no reason for them to sell CA compliant models to states with 10rd restriction.

What you are saying is Glock should only make CA compliant guns, period, for all states. Thats going to alienate a lot of consumers in other states.