Feedback Off Roster versus California Neutered

[ar15robert]

3-6 month wait? Heck if it’s a chain store they can transfer from another out of state.

I’m in a free state and hard to believe most off roster take this long. Maybe a couple yes but majority no.

 

[MarySoua]

I'm still don't understand why you started this topic. There's no need to justify whatever price you are going to ask. The reality is that LEO's have been flipping guns for more than a decade now and there's a silent nod between those LEO and buyers who acknowledge how the game is played. Nobody is speaking the quiet part out loud like you.

Oh it's because they want us to be grateful for the wonderful service being provided, and to not complain about the markup! I'm sorry, pad your bank accounts, let the market decide, but if you think people should be happy that on the tail end of our 2A rights being infringed is a Tax Paid LEO standing there saying "Hey, I can help with that..." you are sorely mistaken. As Jack said, it's not that you're doing it, it's that you're saying it.

I imagine many here are happy with their off roster goodies, but it's still bad medicine going down. Nobody has to like it. Oh and before you tell me to lace up my boots, badge up, and stand the line.....BEEN THERE. DONE THAT! And just an FYI, this kind of post is the type that gets featured on new outlets when stories like this break for on reason or another, don't end up being that guy.....

 

[arm3drv]

Based on my experience purchasing/trading for off rosters, I have been fortunate enough to deal with folks that reasonably price their off roster it’s rare that I would have to pay 2 to 3x the price (with the exception of Registered Semi Auto Pistol Lower Receivers) and even if it is priced high, I would politely ask for a “better deal” or make a reasonable offer which typically gets the deal done At the end of the day, we have to “Pay to Play” and I personally do not mind playing from time to time Ya’ll be safe as always

 

[adrkwan]

It's just supply and demand. I am just glad I have some way to legally acquire off-roster handguns. For me it's not about cost so much as access. I can make money, but I have no other way to go off-roster but for PPT.

I do not begrudge LEOs at all for selling off-roster guns at a nice markup, especially if it's BNIB or brand new in box. Sure it costs more for us but it's like a "free state" simulator when one finds something good.

Same. I like having the option but I also haven't found a gun worth the upcharge just yet.

 

[DeagleDan]

All the shops around me stock a pretty good selection of off roster handguns. 10 days and it's yours.

 

[ShootFirstFirster]

This thread is retarded and we are all more stupid for having participated in it. This guy is constantly posting downy threads like everyone hasn't been playing this game for the longest. I've sold off roster guns that I no longer wanted or lost interest in. Sold most of them for less than I paid but never more than exactly what I paid. Deadpool get a clue and read the room.

 

[Dvrjon]

I hear people complain about mark ups for Off Roster Guns.

My view and a simple fact.

1. Off rosters are special orders so you are waiting 3-6 months sometimes longer for the gun to arrive after you pay for it.

3. If you don’t want to pay a premium to get this then buy a readily available neutered model for less. Maybe you won’t need to wait additional time but when your life is on the line. Will those features jeopardize your safety like a magazine lock which blocks the ability to fire the gun when a magazine is missing but the chamber is loaded and ready

That’s a personal purchase, not one required for duty performance. And to be clear, the Roster exemption for LEO was put in place to allow LEOs to purchase firearms for their duty or personal protection. It wasn’t intended to provide LEOs with a source of rare commodities to stock a side-gig business. The fact one has to wait a period of time to receive the item doesn’t incur an additional cost for them. So, the premium is charging to recoup a non-existent “cost”. And how did the chamber get loaded and ready and then the magazine suddenly became “missing”?

5. The end of Glock in California followed by all other striker fire models in the near future.

Glocks in California haven’t ended for law enforcement. Of course, now they have to be bought through the agency which probably cuts into LEO personal sales inventories.

Until gun laws are abolished to remove class distinctions and provide all citizens with the same rights under the law as currently reserved for law enforcement and we go to the only law in the land the 2nd Amendment “Congress shall make no law that infringes on the right to bear arms” then you will always have a premium added.

FIFY. The legally privileged talking to the lessers. Apparently, the Kings and Queens have traded their crowns for badges.

How about the 14th Amendment? “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”.

By taking advantage of special privileges under the Roster law to personally profit through the Roster exemption seems to run smack against a LEO’s sworn Constitutional duty to not enforce that law.

We can only sell/transfer 6 guns a year without an FFL license currently and we have to wait months to take possession of the firearm in the first place.

You’re apparently a LEO, so you really should know the law (although this one doesn’t have a LEO exemption, so why bother, right?) CA PEN 16730 says no more than 5 transactions per year with no more than 50 guns moved per year.

And again, the opportunity for LEOs to obtain off-roster guns was NOT established to provide LEOs with a personal source of inventory for profit.

If you don’t want to pay a premium then step up and join all of us on the frontline. Become a Peace officer and do your part.

Kings and Queens. I’m 74. Name an agency that will hire. I spent my 30 years in the military. I’ve done my part. (LEO “front lines”? Whatever happened to the “Thin Blue Line”? )

Happy New Year.

 

[OlderThanDirt]

That’s a personal purchase, not one required for duty performance. And to be clear, the Roster exemption for LEO was put in place to allow LEOs to purchase firearms for their duty or personal protection. It wasn’t intended to provide LEOs with a source of rare commodities to stock a side-gig business. The fact one has to wait a period of time to receive the item doesn’t incur an additional cost for them. So, the premium is charging to recoup a non-existent “cost”. And how did the chamber get loaded and ready and then the magazine suddenly became “missing”?

Glocks in California haven’t ended for law enforcement. Of course, now they have to be bought through the agency which probably cuts into LEO personal sales inventories.

FIFY. The legally privileged talking to the lessers. Apparently, the Kings and Queens have traded their crowns for badges.

How about the 14th Amendment? “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”.

By taking advantage of special privileges under the Roster law to personally profit through the Roster exemption seems to run smack against a LEO’s sworn Constitutional duty to not enforce that law.

You’re apparently a LEO, so you really should know the law (although this one doesn’t have a LEO exemption, so why bother, right?) CA PEN 16730 says no more than 5 transactions per year with no more than 50 guns moved per year.

And again, the opportunity for LEOs to obtain off-roster guns was NOT established to provide LEOs with a personal source of inventory for profit.

Kings and Queens. I’m 74. Name an agency that will hire. I spent my 30 years in the military. I’ve done my part. (LEO “front lines”? Whatever happened to the “Thin Blue Line”? )

Happy New Year.

ICE is hiring. Maybe a bunch of us should sign up.

 

[Dvrjon]

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ICE is hiring. Maybe a bunch of us should sign up.

This has potential. There’s a $50k signing bonus; less taxes, call it $45k. At $5k a gun, that’s 9 guns. Get the money, immediately order off-roster guns at 3/month (‘cuz we obey the law). Three months for each group to arrive means you can clear DROS at 4/5/6 months for each batch. Then, strain your back and take disability retirement, which provides LEO status for life. Cash out the guns at 3x purchase and bank $135k profit (the bonus was free money) in six months!

Sweet.

 

[Colt Collector]

For me buying off roster is cheaper than buying something on the roster. I'll purchase something PPT, try to for a few months, then if I don't like it sell it for pretty much what I paid for it, sometimes a little more. When I buy something on the roster I will usually lose about 20%, the sales and excise tax. But I do appreciate there is a way around the roster and if I really like the firearm I'm ok with paying a little extra.

 

[angryasian]

From time to time I’m disappointed about something I can’t buy because it’s not on the roster, but this new batch of laws is by far the most depressing of all. I live in a city where it’s ok to smoke weed at bars, homeless people live literally everywhere, tweakers are free to do whatever, but I can’t have a device designed to legally neuter my rifle shipped to my house without jumping through hoops.

 

[Dvrjon]

From time to time I’m disappointed about something I can’t buy because it’s not on the roster, but this new batch of laws is by far the most depressing of all. I live in a city where it’s ok to smoke weed at bars, homeless people live literally everywhere, tweakers are free to do whatever, but I can’t have a device designed to legally neuter my rifle shipped to my house without jumping through hoops.

Do you need anything? I’ve probably got extras.

 

[angryasian]

Do you need anything? I’ve probably got extras.

Any chance you have a conservative governor in you parts bin?

 

[Dvrjon]

I do, it’s well-used and second-hand…it’s vintage Wilson. You can’t Pete it.

Unfortunately today, a super-majority holds veto override.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

luckily we have the courts to (partially) dismantle the conservative gun control laws like the Mulford act.

 

[CAshooter]

I was recently at my LGS (known for selling off-roster stuff from LEO’s) and one of the employees was showing a guy (mid-20’s) different used Glock 19’s. I don’t know which generation they were, and only a few looked modified, but the customer was complaining they were all asking over $1,000. Employee said the shop had an influx of Glocks when the law banning “Glock switches” was passed. Anyone else notice in their area an increase in Glocks for sale at/above $1,000?

 

[angryasian]

I expected that but I haven’t seen that. Maybe 10% increase but more sales then anything else

 

[angryasian]

luckily we have the courts to (partially) dismantle the conservative gun control laws like the Mulford act.

I definitely learned something looking the Milford act up. Thanks

 

[Deleted member 16735]

I definitely learned something looking the Milford act up. Thanks

It's historic in a number of ways, part of Reagan's legacy of course but even the NRA supported it at the time

 

[CAshooter]

I expected that but I haven’t seen that. Maybe 10% increase but more sales then anything else

It seems like everybody is rushing to sell their glocks cuz they can get a premium-kinda like the off-roster guns.