Oregon proposal to outlaw hunting, fishing and other animal activities misses first ballot hurdle. So stupid!!

[Scubabugdiver]

And if you continue to read the article, you will discover that also discusses there is a large group of signatures still waiting to be verified. Convenient how you leave out facts that don’t support your narrative. And of course it’s a large group of Republicans. Also, I’ve never said that it is the entirety of the Democrat party in Portland, Oregon. But like true liberals, you went on a defense, and at no point admitted that this is a ridiculous proposal brought upon by extremist who are democrats. It’s a real simple thing to do, “ yeah it’s wrong, and we don’t support it even though it’s part of our political party “.

 

[RustVendor]

And if you continue to read the article, you will discover that also discusses there is a large group of signatures still waiting to be verified. Convenient how you leave out facts that don’t support your narrative. And of course it’s a large group of Republicans. Also, I’ve never said that it is the entirety of the Democrat party in Portland, Oregon. But like true liberals, you went on a defense, and at no point admitted that this is a ridiculous proposal brought upon by extremist who are democrats. It’s a real simple thing to do, “ yeah it’s wrong, and we don’t support it even though it’s part of our political party “. Imagine that.

It's not part of any political party it's a ballot initiative outside of the legislature. If the Oregon Democrats wanted it they have the votes in the legislature to do it.

 

[Scubabugdiver]

It's not part of any political party it's a ballot initiative outside of the legislature. If the Oregon Democrats wanted it they have the votes in the legislature to do it.

OK, now we’re getting somewhere. I agree with you somewhat here. But we have to meet in the middle and both agree that because of Oregon’s political environment, it is why this proposal has even made it as far as it has. This would’ve been laughed out of the Senate chamber if it made it this far in any red state. Imagine this being proposed in Texas. Never would happen. And that’s my point. So back to the question “what happened to Oregon? Portland happened.”

 

[NorCALSpeed]

So it got proposed and didn't make it past step one. What are we mad about?

 

[grandpapeepap]

And if you continue to read the article, you will discover that also discusses there is a large group of signatures still waiting to be verified. Convenient how you leave out facts that don’t support your narrative. And of course it’s a large group of Republicans. Also, I’ve never said that it is the entirety of the Democrat party in Portland, Oregon. But like true liberals, you went on a defense, and at no point admitted that this is a ridiculous proposal brought upon by extremist who are democrats. It’s a real simple thing to do, “ yeah it’s wrong, and we don’t support it even though it’s part of our political party “. Imagine that. “Portland is all about meat and the outdoors”. Is going to be my new bumper sticker.

who are the "true liberals" here to you? are they in the room with us right now. Not sure where you are seeing the david michelson is a democrat either, i cant find anything saying that. who also says if it made it to a vote he doesnt think it would even pass. so you know, the people of oregon will laugh at it like the senate chamber would

 

[grandpapeepap]

OK, now we’re getting somewhere. I agree with you somewhat here. But we have to meet in the middle and both agree that because of Oregon’s political environment, it is why this proposal has even made it as far as it has. This would’ve been laughed out of the Senate chamber if it made it this far in any red state. Imagine this being proposed in Texas. Never would happen. And that’s my point. So back to the question “what happened to Oregon? Portland happened.”

the guy moved from so cal, to denver to portland. so cal where the anti hunting farm bill part was created too. once again so cal being the worse cal

 

[Scubabugdiver]

the guy moved from so cal, to denver to portland. so cal where the anti hunting farm bill part was created too. once again so cal being the worse cal

Oh, I agree with you there. I’m just here for the lobster!

 

[grandpapeepap]

Oh, I agree with you there. I’m just here for the lobster!

who lives here, you owe me lobster money!

 

[Scubabugdiver]

Come by anytime. I’ll grill you some up Baja style. I’ve always got dozens of tails in my freezer.

 

[KingRansom]

If bestiality falls under the banned activities there's going to be some seriously pissed off oregonians

 

[RustVendor]

OK, now we’re getting somewhere. I agree with you somewhat here. But we have to meet in the middle and both agree that because of Oregon’s political environment, it is why this proposal has even made it as far as it has. This would’ve been laughed out of the Senate chamber if it made it this far in any red state. Imagine this being proposed in Texas. Never would happen. And that’s my point. So back to the question “what happened to Oregon? Portland happened.”

the entire reason I made my initial comment is because blaming Portland is a form of confirmation bias. Portland metro has 2.5 million people out of 4 million in the entire state. OF COURSE the people involved live in Portland, but even in Portland the political environment is not overwhelmingly vegan. There are a handful of vegan restaurants but what's a lot more popular is restaurants with large servings of local farm to table meat. I worked in the restaurant industry there. There is a "vegan" strip club there LOL. but I knew some of those girls and most of them weren't actually vegan it was more just that they only served vegan food. If you knew Portland at all you would agree with me, the stuff in Portlandia can be very accurate but it's also only in little pockets. And even in those pockets very few people are vegan and even among vegans, they don't necessarily want to force veganism on everyone which is what this bill tries to do by outlawing agriculture which actually affects a lot more people than huting. Basically everyone. Worldwide even including countries like India where eating meat is sacrilegious for many, veganism is less than 1%.

This thread is basically "look at this wildly unpopular bill that even liberals don't like, the problem is Oregon is too liberal!" It's cringe to me because even if this were popular among liberals, you aren't actually stepping back to ask why liberals would support the bill. Instead it's just grade school level comments. The broader question is, how do we feel about animal welfare and what can we do about it? I'm a hunter for the past 15 years, I used to be a rancher. Every place I worked we did it "the right way", using pasture based managed grazing and Bud Williams low stress stockmanship. I raised Bison, cows, sheep and pigs. You can do it all in a way that's so much better than factory farming. I don't even eat factory meat anymore, it doesn't taste right. But all around Oregon you have found local farmers that have adopted better techniques to produce better meat, and their primary market where people will actually pay for high quality meat is... PORTLAND! The farm to table movement is much larger than veganism everywhere but especially in Oregon. Are these "Liberal" ideas or "Conservative" ones? Most people and things don't fit neatly into these distinctions. But you can be sure that it's largely driven by Liberal dollars in portland and has allowed rural communities to maintain a lifetyle where farms are preserved instead of developed into data centers.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

At some point, folks will realize what large percent of the budget for the great outdoors is funded by hunting and fishing licenses and will change their mind. Been 20ish years since I last read numbers but I want to say it’s like 70% but I could be wrong. Land and ranger services will greatly suffer if this were to pass.