P226

[SomeOne]

Lol, I wouldn't even say so. The 1911 is not at all difficult to field strip, simply a different method of doing so. People have just gotten so lazy that all they can do is pull a trigger and a tab to take a gun apart. It takes an extra 10 seconds to field strip a 1911, and it ain't like I'm going to be field stripping my gun for a cleaning in the middle of a firefight, so it makes zero difference. If that's too hard for you, well that's what they make Glocks for.

It makes a lot of difference in the field. I am not saying it's hard. I have 1911, I know how to strip it. But the modern platforms are much easier and faster to service.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

You absolutely can't compare 1911 field stripping to Glock or Sig. 1911 has too many moving parts and does require more time. Thus any modern platform beats with flying colors. Full disassembly is a gunsmith thing. It's irrelevant to your day-to-day use.

Maybe to you, but I field strip and clean after every range use. I completely break down my guns once a year for deep cleaning/debris - carbon removal.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

It makes a lot of difference in the field. I am not saying it's hard. I have 1911, I know how to strip it. But the modern platforms are much easier and faster to service.

But your talking less than a minute difference to field strip between a 1911 vs modern firearm if competent. I don’t see a minute or less a big deal.

 

[Hit Factor]

But the modern platforms are much easier and faster to service.

Like the modern 2011s? Or do you just mean the cheap plastic guns that look and feel like they came out of a cereal box?

 

[ReaperCustom45]

If we are talking field stripping than not really, just different manual of arms/dissembly; but all rather easy.

Now, if we’re talking a complete dissembly down to every little part, something like a Glock is super easy; but again a 1911 is not very hard to learn either.

I find the Sig P320 more involved for a complete tear down than a 1911 for example.

Man, the 320 is a nightmare to do a full disassembly/reassembly on. The amount of times I've gotten it all back together and something is slightly out of place and the gun don't work is frustrating. I do also need to watch a video every time I do it to make sure I'm not doing something in the wrong order.

You absolutely can't compare 1911 field stripping to Glock or Sig. 1911 has too many moving parts and does require more time. Thus any modern platform beats with flying colors. Full disassembly is a gunsmith thing. It's irrelevant to your day-to-day use.

Lol, Glock has 4 main parts when field stripping, the 1911 has 6, the 2 extra being the barrel bushing and recoil spring plug, and that's assuming you don't have a bull barrel model without the bushing. It is no more complicated than a Glock when field stripping. I'd say it's less problematic than a Sig 320 though, the amount of times I had people bring one back into the store after they tried to field strip it and put it together wrong, causing the gun to lock up, is concerning. Not saying it's hard to do it right, but the fact that it can so easily be reassembled wrong to the point of rendering the gun inoperable is a problem. You can't reassemble a Glock or 1911 wrong, it just won't go back together.

 

[SomeOne]

the 1911 has 6, the 2 extra being the barrel bushing and recoil spring plug,

7
You forgot the slide stop, pro.

 

[SomeOne]

But your talking less than a minute difference to field strip between a 1911 vs modern firearm if competent. I don’t see a minute or less a big deal.

Plus, extra parts, you need to take care of.

 

[ReaperCustom45]

7
You forgot the slide stop, pro.

Ok, 7 parts, 4 of which require no cleaning. It ain't rocket science, nor is it at all difficult to do. And again, none of us are having to field strip our guns "in the field", we ain't fighting in a war zone, nor would someone have any reason at all to field strip their pistol in the middle of combat. It's a total nonsense argument, 3 extra parts and 10 extra seconds is not even a difference worth mentioning. The gun has served as a military and police sidearm for a century and people weren't crying about it being too hard to take apart.

 

[TheKalEric]

I have the sp2022 and 226 in 9mm
The 226 is definitely a better shooter, but I still prefer the 2022 since it was my first gun and it's what I have the most time with

Funny you say that! My first was a P365.. never done anything to it except pew pew and clean. Love the tar outta that 'lil gal!

 

[Gawernator]

Like the modern 2011s? Or do you just mean the cheap plastic guns that look and feel like they came out of a cereal box?

The ones used in actual combat and operations and by elite special warfare operators?

 

[secretaznman]

They don't have a light rail and ok lol maybe you just need to get better at shooting if you are having issues with a modern p226. The US military trials disagree, I'm gonna go with that over some ramblings

We are all entitles to our own opinions. I never said anything about shooting it, but it's a well known that German/Swiss made P226s, functionally they are not modern because they do not have rails or are optics ready are better made more specifically around craftmanship. As a mechanical engineer (that's my background) and someone who has collected and owned multiple P226s, I find German/Swiss made ones superior such as tight tolerances, superior fit and finish, trigger vs the modern US made mass produced ones just feel cheaper including the MK25.

This is also my experience as someone who got armor training from Sig for the P series and I would totally 100% agree on the US Military Trials but given what happened with the M17/18 I'm not so sure?

I will hand it that the MK25 is optimized for specific use through maritime-grade corrosion resistance (phosphate coated internals, chrome-lined barrel, nitron/PVD coated slide + hard-coat anodized frame).

Now if you want to ask what's the best handgun I'm a 1911 person.

 

[Skilly]

Man, the 320 is a nightmare to do a full disassembly/reassembly on. The amount of times I've gotten it all back together and something is slightly out of place and the gun don't work is frustrating. I do also need to watch a video every time I do it to make sure I'm not doing something in the wrong order.

Lol, Glock has 4 main parts when field stripping, the 1911 has 6, the 2 extra being the barrel bushing and recoil spring plug, and that's assuming you don't have a bull barrel model without the bushing. It is no more complicated than a Glock when field stripping. I'd say it's less problematic than a Sig 320 though, the amount of times I had people bring one back into the store after they tried to field strip it and put it together wrong, causing the gun to lock up, is concerning. Not saying it's hard to do it right, but the fact that it can so easily be reassembled wrong to the point of rendering the gun inoperable is a problem. You can't reassemble a Glock or 1911 wrong, it just won't go back together.

You aren't wrong but how deep are you field stripping your 320?? Unless Im swapping or upgrading a spring, breaking apart the FCU isn't really necessary; same for my P365.

 

[ReaperCustom45]

You aren't wrong but how deep are you field stripping your 320?? Unless Im swapping or upgrading a spring, breaking apart the FCU isn't really necessary; same for my P365.

I've just had to do it on a few 320s to upgrade certain parts, same with 365s. Neither is fun, really makes you appreciate guns like Glocks and 1911s. Hell, I've done full teardowns to fix a few different pistols from the early 1900s when most pistol designs were still wacky and over complicated that were less of a pain then the new Sigs.

 

[weaverftw]

I've just had to do it on a few 320s to upgrade certain parts, same with 365s. Neither is fun, really makes you appreciate guns like Glocks and 1911s. Hell, I've done full teardowns to fix a few different pistols from the early 1900s when most pistol designs were still wacky and over complicated that were less of a pain then the new Sigs.

Yeah the new Sigs and most of the CZs are a pain if you have to take apart the sear cage/fcu and then line all the bits and springs back up. Slave pins can help a lot. I just did some work on my SP-01 and intend to install a comp hammer and new trigger and disconnector from CGW on Monday, and I’m not looking forward to it (except I AM and I can’t wait to see the results)

 

[Skilly]

I've just had to do it on a few 320s to upgrade certain parts, same with 365s. Neither is fun, really makes you appreciate guns like Glocks and 1911s. Hell, I've done full teardowns to fix a few different pistols from the early 1900s when most pistol designs were still wacky and over complicated that were less of a pain then the new Sigs.

I dunno, P320 trigger swap is MUCH easier than a Glock. And, overall, they aren't that bad to work with once you have played with them...I've taken my P365 FCU apart so many times tweaking it I could rebuild it in the dark. That said, if I kept it stock (which its very good out of the box), there isnt any reason to have to strip it down.

The FCU to me is so much easier to maintain, and the idea that its modular and I can swap it to whatever rolls out on the market is such a game changer compared to serial numbers stamped on the grip.

 

[treelogger]

Field strip a P210: Remove magazine, rack the slide (so the hammer is cocked), pull slide back 5mm, push out slide stop = slide release, now the slide comes off forward, pull the barrel from the slide and the recoil spring assembly from the frame, pull the whole trigger/hammer group out from the rear (it is a unit), and clean.

If you have to remove the firing pin, the slide stop is the tool required to release it. This is not needed in the field, but possible.

But here comes the part that no other pistol I know of can do: Take a hundred military issue P210s, field strip them all, and put all the components in a large sack. Shake it so the components are mixed. Reassemble 100 pistols in arbitrary order (without looking at serial numbers). The original Swiss-made P210 was guaranteed to be accurate to about 1.5 inches over 50 yard distance (actually 5cm over 50 meters) after doing that mixing. Try that with a sack full of 1911s.

 

[magoshands]

I bought a used .40 cal p226 (german frame/trigger)
Then bought a 9mm legion complete upper and grips and an sig oem SRT kit. To mod it.
Its a sweet shooter low recoil fast reset, easy to use controls.
I have a couple 1911's and they are a pita to clean and take apart
Glocks are fun and i own several, but there is something special about a DA/SA wondernine, it's like driving a Buick Grand National.
Is it a classic like a 1960's muscle car? NO Are there faster cheaper cars that are easy to mod for more performance? YES
Is it cooler than a modded Honda civic? ABSOLUTELY and I'm never gonna sell mine...

 

[Hit Factor]

The ones used in actual combat and operations and by elite special warfare operators?

The cheap throw-away guns purchased under low-bid contracts? Yes, those guns.

 

[SomeOne]

Ok, 7 parts, 4 of which require no cleaning. It ain't rocket science, nor is it at all difficult to do. And again, none of us are having to field strip our guns "in the field", we ain't fighting in a war zone, nor would someone have any reason at all to field strip their pistol in the middle of combat. It's a total nonsense argument, 3 extra parts and 10 extra seconds is not even a difference worth mentioning. The gun has served as a military and police sidearm for a century and people weren't crying about it being too hard to take apart.

Glad you finally admitted the obvious fact. It is easier to service the modern-era handguns than 1911.

 

[weaverftw]

Glad you finally admitted the obvious fact. It is easier to service the modern-era handguns than 1911.

Technically, yes by a tiny amount. But functionally it makes no difference whatsoever and should not even be a consideration when choosing a pistol IMO.