P320’s allowed (on R/P only) again at Richmond Rod

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When it comes to legal matters, the attorney that makes the most convincing argument (even if it's not backed by facts or truth), "wins". The old saying about DA's being able to "indict a ham sandwich" (or an "unpopular" candidate for public office) applies..... When you examine 2A related cases, you see the "arguments", some are pretty lame!

The Glock "switch" suits are particularly onerous, where the company did not invent, market, promote or sell the "machine gun" mod, yet is being prosecuted for an "dangerous" (and illegal) modification to an otherwise legal product... It's absurd to say that an engineer/designer is supposed to anticipate every possible modification that any Bubba might cook up after a few beers and make sure that no such modification could ever possibly take place in the "future"...


Is it "gun violence" if a "discharge" is uncommanded, negligent, or accidental"? I think not, but I'm sure some anti-2A types would disagree. Blaming an inanimate object is so much easier... and to a degree satisfying when no "responsibility" for bad choices needs be assigned?



The "manual of arms" can be radically different on different firearms, I've got a few oddballs that I had to show the counter staff how to do the required "safety demonstration" on when doing a PPT... If one has "trained" to a degree that you handle a firearm via "muscle memory" and you change to a different firearm, with different controls... you have to "retrain" a bit!

I've seen many YT videos trying to reproduce the "mechanical failure mode" that replicates the UD in a P320, haven't seen any that are 100% convincing as to what causes the cases where the gun just goes off either untouched, or during some manipulation. I have read the suggestion that perhaps it is due to improper maintenance/wrong parts, bad tolerances allowing things to move that shouldn't... honestly, I can't say one way or another, sometimes guns do act up, and that's why they need to be treated with respect and handled properly! The good ol' "4 laws" apply.

 

[ikeo1]

Do you think it would make a difference if the aftermarket trigger shoe with a safety is installed? Agency arms sig p320 trigger shoe is an example?

doesn’t change the rule for that particular range, but it does add the safety to it. It would require inspection of every firearm which wouldn’t be optimal.

 

[MunnyShot]

Unless he only has 3 fingers and a thumb, looks like his index finger is inside the trigger guard while re-holstering, and we see it re-appear as he brings his hand away

This also reminds me how we haven't really seen any ND from a P320 used for EDC. Only police/comp style users with different types of holsters and mainly during re-holstering. hmmmm

Watch it again the gun doesn't go off until the gun is seated in the holster before it discharges. Here's another where the Po Po's hand was no were near his holster:

and another where it's fully seated, but he does touch the back strap:

and yet another:

 

[MunnyShot]

Looks like the serpa strikes again. Can you explain it? What was the result of the laboratory testing and investigation? As an investigator, I can't make any determination from an unsourced blurry video. Also why does it look like his index finger is on the trigger with his middle finger extended?

I get you are new to shooting man, yes NYPD banned the standard Glock and they came out with a new 12 lb trigger model lol. Not sure why the Glock history and Glock leg is upsetting you so much - it happened. Yeah I'm not aware of any lawsuit proving an "uncommanded discharged" for either manufacturer, if you have proof of that please show it.

What do you mean banned? The Sig P320 outsells Glock for MIL/LE use and is used by the military and a huge amount of LE agencies worldwide. Sig Sauer is also dominating the civilian market with the P320/P365 lineup in sales. Definitely keep your finger off the trigger and use a proper holster, like Ikeo said without a tabbed trigger or external safety, the margin for error is quite low. Currently the M17/M18 continue to do very well with my fellow servicemembers. I haven't heard of any uptick in ND's compared to what happened with the M9/Glock/M11/MK25 etc. Kinda seems like you want to derail the topic... your video was posted a long time ago and debunked. Start a new thread

LOL did I hurt you feelings, you're going to resort to name calling saying I'm a new shooter? What's are you going to say next you have more marbles than me also? I know for a fact you absolutely have the most post count on this site and haunt every single topic, but just realize the adults are trying to have a conversations, children should be quite and not respond.