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They said “we made it up” verbatim? Doubt without proof.Except the agents admitted in court that they made that part up.
Because your premise is false. It’s not a BS search, it’s clearly legal per the law. They caught him red handed. That’s why he will likely be convictedIf they had evidence of other crimes, why would they blow up their investigation with a BS search of his phone at the border which would alert him to being under investigation? They instead could have searched his phone and everything else he owns by getting a warrant.
I get your point, but please read the article that you attached. The "exception" that you're speaking of is not an exception to the Fourth Amendment. It's an "exception" to the presumption that a warrant is required in order to make a search reasonable. Big difference there.It's known as the "4th amendment exception" because it's an exception to the rules applied inside the border and don't have an unlimited scope
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In the narrow confines of a "Did he trick the police into entering a duress code?", evidence of terrorism, CP, Bigfoot, etc. doesn't do either and so may be excluded as part of an active investigation that has no bearing on what he did (destroy evidence).From what I understand (I could certainly be wrong) if specific details of another investigation are material to the destruction of evidence charges against Tunick then they have to be disclosed. Not necessarily the entirety of the other investigation(s) but anything that's exculpatory or damaging to his defense.
And the CBP hasn't disclosed anything beyond the false CSAM allegations.
Don’t go down their rabbit holes into nonsense. Checkout my long winded post that shreds the BSIn the narrow confines of a "Did he trick the police into entering a duress code?", evidence of terrorism, CP, Bigfoot, etc. doesn't do either and so may be excluded as part of an active investigation that has no bearing on what he did.
I get your point, but please read the article that you attached. The "exception" that you're speaking of is not an exception to the Fourth Amendment. It's an "exception" to the presumption that a warrant is required in order to make a search reasonable. Big difference there.
The Fourth Amendment still applies, and without exception, at the border.
With respect to interrogations at the border, the Eleventh Circuit has statedthat “questioning at the border must rise to a distinctly accusatory level” before a reasonable person would feel restraints on their ability to leave. United States v.Moya, 74 F.3d 1117, 1119 (11th Cir. 1996). The government has the power to police national borders, and as such, the Fifth Amendment guarantee against self-incrimination is not violated by routine questioning of those seeking entry to theUnited States. United States v. Lueck, 678 F.2d 895, 899 (11th Cir. 1982).
He has devices seized, brought to secondary holding and strip-searched, all the while asking for his lawyer.While an interrogation at the border might begin as non-custodial in nature, when officers start accusing a defendant of criminal activity, a reasonable person could feel a degree of restraint comparable to arrest. At that point, the interview can become custodial in nature, and the officers are required to administer Miranda warnings. United States v. Jayyousi, 657 F.3d 1085 (11th Cir.2011).
Yep then he destroyed evidence of the CSAM, scared and freaking out at the border. Like a stuck ratHe's legal team argues that there's is precedent on where that broad CBP authority ends:
He has devices seized, brought to secondary holding and strip-searched, all the while asking for his lawyer.
Furthermore, he was accused of first CSAM possession and then criminal activist activity.
I know I'm just saying that colloquially how it's referred. You are right that it's still under the 4th amendment. But Even in the court case US v Ramsey I posted they call it an "exception" in the text:I get your point, but please read the article that you attached. The "exception" that you're speaking of is not an exception to the Fourth Amendment. It's an "exception" to the presumption that a warrant is required in order to make a search reasonable. Big difference there.
The Fourth Amendment still applies, and without exception, at the border.
First, thefruit of Mr. Tunick’s un-Mirandized statement—the alleged “wiping” or encryption of the contents of his phone by providing agents with a specific password—is testimonial in nature. See In re Grand Jury Subpoena Duces Tecum at1352. Second, unlike in Patane, where the defendant interrupted the detective while he was administering his Miranda rights, and the defendant never invoked his rights to an attorney, the CBP officers never attempted to advise Mr. Tunick of his Miranda rights and ignored his requests to speak with his attorney. SeeUnited States v. Owens, 2009 WL 2584570, at *4 (N.D. Fla. Aug. 20, 2009)(determining that Patane was not controlling because the officers never attempted to advise the defendant of his Miranda rights prior to interrogation).Third, the officers’ search and seizure of Mr. Tunick’s phone is significantly more intrusive than the seizure of defendant Patane’s firearm. See Riley v. California,573 U.S. 373 (2014)
So reading the actual motion to suppress is far more informative. Basically, Tunick's team is arguing that CBP's question moved beyond non-custodial to an accusatory level at which time his 5th Amendment rights "kicked in". He's supposed to be Miranda'd and has a right to refuse any further questioning without a lawyer present. At that point, any evidence or statements taken that would be in violation of his rights are inadmissable as evidence.
So giving the pass code to wipe the phone after he was denied his right to an attorney is not admissible as evidence.![]()
Miranda is for speech, not physical evidence. Wipe codes affect physical evidence, hence his current charge. Per the last sentence of the quote, the phone might not have been used against him had he not tried to be fancy. Spare me the foil hat contact info theory, the exculpatory value of protecting a contact list is up to the court.Miranda protects statements, not necessarily physical evidence. If the police get a confession without reading your rights, that involuntary statement may be thrown out. But if the statement led to tangible evidence, courts might still allow it.
The Supreme Court has ruled that a Miranda violation does not always trigger the exclusionary rule for physical objects. This is especially true when the statement is not forced or coerced. For example, if someone says, "The gun is in my closet," without being read their rights, the court might block the statement but still allow the gun as evidence.
This is a gray area in many cases. Courts look at how the evidence was found, how serious the violation was, and whether the statement was truly voluntary. An experienced criminal defense lawyer can push to have both the statement and the physical item excluded.
That and they also point to CBP ignoring his requests to have an attorney present. Essentially, they are arguing Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendment violations.So reading the actual motion to suppress is far more informative. Basically, Tunick's team is arguing that CBP's question moved beyond non-custodial to an accusatory level at which time his 5th Amendment rights "kicked in". He's supposed to be Miranda'd and has a right to refuse any further questioning without a lawyer present. At that point, any evidence or statements taken that would be in violation of his rights are inadmissable as evidence.
So giving the pass code to wipe the phone after he was denied his right to an attorney is not admissible as evidence.![]()
That is why they cite federal caselaw holding that decrypting a hard drive is “testimonial”Miranda is for speech, not physical evidence. Wipe codes affect physical evidence, hence his current charge.
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Which is even more reason for him to have just kept his mouth shut, but instead he got fancy and did something that's not covered, which is providing the means to destroy the contents. That by definition is not decrypting.That is why they cite federal caselaw holding that decrypting a hard drive is “testimonial”
Do you have a PACER account?They said “we made it up” verbatim? Doubt without proof.
Yeah, I certainly wouldn’t advise a client to wipe their phone in that situation. But, if he wins on the Fourth, Fifth or Sixth Amendment issues, the observations of the wiping are fruit of the poisonous tree and governments case is DOA.Which is even more reason for him to have just kept his mouth shut, but instead he got fancy and did something that's not covered, which is providing the means to destroy the contents. That by definition is not decrypting.
The destruction of evidence charge might have been a lot easier on him than whatever else he had.Which is even more reason for him to have just kept his mouth shut, but instead he got fancy and did something that's not covered, which is providing the means to destroy the contents. That by definition is not decrypting.
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