PPT - How Much Can They Charge?

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The state doesn’t care.

Until the day they do, and take an administrative action revoking the licensing of all the ones in the "overcharging" file that you can bet they keep....

For those that don't understand how this works, the LEGISLATURE creates the laws, in this case the Penal Code prohibiting additional charges. Then the administrative agencies (AFT, CADOJ, etc) typically enforce them, often arbitrarily whenever there's "gray areas". Those administrative agencies also can typically ENFORCE or take administrative action against "violators". These agencies may also publish and distribute "opinions" to clarify (or add MORE confusion!!) what the legislature left in a hot mess... <insert analysis of "Chevron deferrence", recently disapproved by SCOTUS, here>

It's notable that THIS applicable Penal Code is the rare exception that is pretty plain English without room for "creative interpretation" (unlike MOST "gun control" laws). I'd say maybe the CADOJ told 'em that it's OK (bloody unlikely!), except that would put the administrative agency at odds with clear legislative intent.

Of course out of state transfers have NO limits, it's just the PPT transaction has the specific $ fees spelled out in black and white.

It's very dangerous business to add "because we CAN" charges and fees, both because it WILL cause customers to say "nope" when looking to buy something, and because it could result in serious legal issues should an administrative agency suddenly decide it's "easy pickin's" to say "well if they violated THIS law, who knows what others they are violating..." and starts audits or revokes licenses...


PS - I'm pretty sure the stupid lock requirements are also documented in excrutiating detail somewhere in the PC...

 

[Gawernator]

Until the day they do, and take an administrative action revoking the licensing of all the ones in the "overcharging" file that you can bet they keep....

For those that don't understand how this works, the LEGISLATURE creates the laws, in this case the Penal Code prohibiting additional charges. Then the administrative agencies (AFT, CADOJ, etc) typically enforce them, often arbitrarily whenever there's "gray areas". Those administrative agencies also can typically ENFORCE or take administrative action against "violators". These agencies may also publish and distribute "opinions" to clarify (or add MORE confusion!!) what the legislature left in a hot mess... <insert analysis of "Chevron deferrence", recently disapproved by SCOTUS, here>

It's notable that THIS applicable Penal Code is the rare exception that is pretty plain English without room for "creative interpretation" (unlike MOST "gun control" laws). I'd say maybe the CADOJ told 'em that it's OK (bloody unlikely!), except that would put the administrative agency at odds with clear legislative intent.

Of course out of state transfers have NO limits, it's just the PPT transaction has the specific $ fees spelled out in black and white.

It's very dangerous business to add "because we CAN" charges and fees, both because it WILL cause customers to say "nope" when looking to buy something, and because it could result in serious legal issues should an administrative agency suddenly decide it's "easy pickin's" to say "well if they violated THIS law, who knows what others they are violating..." and starts audits or revokes licenses...


PS - I'm pretty sure the stupid lock requirements are also documented in excrutiating detail somewhere in the PC...

Until the day they do indeed

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Hello CA, gun family. I have a question on a private party transfer, is a FFL legally allowed to charge more than $10? On top of the dros? On a single firearm.

I’m actually kind of glad you posted this. I think there are different ways of looking at this and handling it.

The saying is that somebody can report the business to DOJ for charging more than $10. However, I’ve come to realize that somebody is better off posting about it on the 2a forums.

Another way to see it is, I remember back on calguns there was a discussion on and also learning from others that had more experience about practicing good ppt etiquette with a store that doesn’t have a hassling ppt policy. The saying was the reason why stores became salty and started all these hassling policies was because they didn’t feel like it was worth it. People come in and the $10 isn’t worth it; but that’s probably accumulated bad experiences of people not buying anything.

So, recently I remember there was a store I called up when looking for places to do a ppt. They wanted $65 for the ppt fee. I said whoa, $10 is what is allowed. They responded with asking if I was from around there (no), and I heard we were the cheapest around. I thought about the good ppt etiquette with ffl situation; and realized this means I don’t have to practice good ppt etiquette with the store and buy anything since I already paid them.

With those no hassle places for only $10; I usually end up buying cleaning supplies since they are a consumable, some ammo, or accessories. If accessories and ammo are marked up; I usually just buy cleaning supplies.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Some years back, I remember once going into a shop for a ppt, which stated they welcome the calguns community. That lets me know they welcome the California 2A community from the forums. They know if bad word gets out about them; it could possibly affect the support.

I am seeing mentions of shops that don’t have hassling policies. But I am not seeing a list or thread of shops that have hassling policies.

We are different than their customers that are not on the forums; we are more well informed. We can also be the driving force of support, or we can be the complete opposite, depending on how well we are treated. It is in their best interest to treat the online community well. Our ppt’s, word of mouth, references, or how we were treated; can bring them additional business during these slower times. If we are treated poorly; we have the ability to impact their business favorably or dis-favorably.