reciprocity in home state with other CCW's ?

[Malibu]

What a grand mess this whole permission business is.
The Eunuchs of SCOTUS had an opportunity to ditch all these permitting schemes two years ago, yet chose to personally allow Gavin Newsom, Kathy Hochul, Josh Green, Phil Murphy, etc. to continue to deny constitutional rights to many citizens whom they lord over. For reciprocity to actually work, it might take a federal law that makes every citizen in the United States and it’s possessions eligible to carry a firearm nearly everywhere with NO “permit” required.

 

[Deleted member 7975]

No, it's your issuing agency that does that. Should such IA discover, say, through out of state police contact, that you are not following its rules, they would be justified in revoking your CCW. And, it could be argued, in those circumstances, your CCW was invalid while on that other state visit, so there would be no reciprocity. (That last is irrelevant in the 29 'constitutional carry' states.)

I am still confused by what is being claimed. Are you saying that a CA IA could revoke a license it had issued because the license holder carried a pistol that is not on the person's CA license in a state that recognizes a CA license? What would be the legal authority for such an action?

 

[Librarian]

I am still confused by what is being claimed. Are you saying that a CA IA could revoke a license it had issued because the license holder carried a pistol that is not on the person's CA license in a state that recognizes a CA license? What would be the legal authority for such an action?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.

PC 26195, for violating PC 26200 (a)(4)

Of course, this behavior would have to somehow get back to the IA.

 

[Deleted member 7975]

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.

PC 26195, for violating PC 26200 (a)(4)

Of course, this behavior would have to somehow get back to the IA.

OK, I understand. However, I do not see how PC26200 (a) could be applied outside the State of California, because the person would not be carrying a firearm as authorized by a license issued pursuant to this chapter but by the laws of the other state that allows non-residents to carry if they possess a license to carry issued by their state of residence. In other words, Chapter 4, does not authorize California residents to carry outside of the State of California.

As a side note, while California prohibits the carrying of firearms in places having a primary purpose of dispensing alcoholic beverages for onsite consumption, Idaho does not! I learned this on my first trip to Idaho when a visited a local brewery/tap room and the patrons were examining an AR-15 belonging to one of the customers.

 

[Technical]

In order for reciprocity to work, it seems that the states would need to have a uniform set of laws that apply to all CCW licensees, much as the Vehicle Code applies to all drivers. All the I/As would be consistent and their local regulations would not exist.

Every state would also need another law that explains how a CCW from a different state would be honored, just as a drivers license is good in all 50 states. While visiting out of a persons home state, they would have all the rights and responsibilities of a resident, and be expected to follow local law. Just as a California licensed driver doesn’t follow the California Vehicle Code in Nevada, they conform to the Nevada Vehicle Code.

The comparison is always made to the reciprocity of driver’s licenses, so the laws would need to be set up in a similar way.

 

[Librarian]

OK, I understand. However, I do not see how PC26200 (a) could be applied outside the State of California, because the person would not be carrying a firearm as authorized by a license issued pursuant to this chapter but by the laws of the other state that allows non-residents to carry if they possess a license to carry issued by their state of residence. In other words, Chapter 4, does not authorize California residents to carry outside of the State of California.

If there were such a thing as 'reciprocity', that would have to be clarified.

But your IA is entirely within current law to revoke your CA CCW if you violate the terms of CA law or any additional restrictions that IA adds.

I believe I already mentioned that it might happen that a prosecutor could use 'not following CA CCW law' during an incident might be interpreted as 'for that moment, not having a valid CA CCW' so reciprocity would not apply.

But, as this is getting out into the weeds, it's not really profitable to discuss more deeply before a 'reciprocity' law is proposed and text is available to critique.

 

[Deleted member 7975]

If there were such a thing as 'reciprocity', that would have to be clarified.

But your IA is entirely within current law to revoke your CA CCW if you violate the terms of CA law or any additional restrictions that IA adds.

I believe I already mentioned that it might happen that a prosecutor could use 'not following CA CCW law' during an incident might be interpreted as 'for that moment, not having a valid CA CCW' so reciprocity would not apply.

But, as this is getting out into the weeds, it's not really profitable to discuss more deeply before a 'reciprocity' law is proposed and text is available to critique.

I understand. It was not my intent to engage in a debate. Instead, I merely sought to make sure I was correctly understanding what was being said. Thank you for your responses. As far as revoking my CA CCW, that would only be theoretically possible if I still had one. Mine expired after I moved to Idaho.

 

[SomeOne]

I believe it would come down to your home state. So California would still limit the firearms for its own population. The work around would be to get the non-resident Arazona permit, tho I am sure Commifornia will think of a way around it. Thank god Trump won the election!

I am sure the Californians from the blue counties will be happy to apply and get any out of state CCW permit, if it established their right to carry in CA. I am also positively sure CA legislature will try to close the loophole asap.

 

[Librarian]

I understand. It was not my intent to engage in a debate. Instead, I merely sought to make sure I was correctly understanding what was being said. Thank you for your responses. As far as revoking my CA CCW, that would only be theoretically possible if I still had one. Mine expired after I moved to Idaho.

Ha!

I have OR CCW, and it is not valid in WA; we drove to MT to visit our grandchildren and I had to disarm for a couple hours, until I hit the ID border. Both ID and MT honor OR CCW, but both are also constitutional carry - which is the real answer, I think.

 

[Malibu]

Is the Idaho enhanced CCW permit recognized in Washington, or are they like California in that they recognize nobody else?

 

[Got Your 6]

Ha!

I have OR CCW, and it is not valid in WA; we drove to MT to visit our grandchildren and I had to disarm for a couple hours, until I hit the ID border. Both ID and MT honor OR CCW, but both are also constitutional carry - which is the real answer, I think.

Not 100% if this is what your refering to:

Even if you can constitutional carry without a CCW unless that state that recogniges your home state CCW you are still subject to federal law.

Say If you have CA ccw go to arizona don't have a non-resident CCW and get in a "good justified shoot" and you didn't know you were in a 1000' (please verif the distance) of a school you just broke Federal law and could be charged accordingly.

 

[Deleted member 7975]

Ha!

I have OR CCW, and it is not valid in WA; we drove to MT to visit our grandchildren and I had to disarm for a couple hours, until I hit the ID border. Both ID and MT honor OR CCW, but both are also constitutional carry - which is the real answer, I think.

You need to get a WA CPL. It is one of the easiest. $50, an application and a set of prints. Check the Spokane PD website for the application. As a non resident, you should be able to go to any IA in WA.

 

[Deleted member 7975]

Is the Idaho enhanced CCW permit recognized in Washington, or are they like California in that they recognize nobody else?

WA recognizes Idaho, Utah, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina and Louisiana. Washington issues to non-residents and is one of the easiest to get. When I was living in CA, I traveled to Post Falls, Idaho to visit my brother and to take the Enhanced Idaho class. While there, I stopped by the Spokane PD, to apply for the WA CPL. A simple application, $50 and a set of prints was all it took. Took a little over an hour, most of the time waiting to have my prints taken by live scan. They were busy finger printing others for all sorts of applications. When I renewed my WA CPL, it was online.