Recommendations for replacing Echelon rear U-sight iron(s)?

[tbonesocal]

Hi All,
I’m about six months into my Echelon 4.0 (now upgraded to a 4.0FC via grip module swap… and I *might* have geeked out on an Icarus A.C.E. In the process) and I somehow just can’t get consistent accuracy dialed in with the rear inverted U-sight + front high-viz tritium. I’m sure that my near-sighted vision (corrected by contact lenses since age 15) isn’t helping. I’m trying to get dialed in on irons before throwing a red-dot on, and want to co-witness when I do finally make the move.

Anybody have any experience with the Springfield 3-dot tritium night sights or have any other recommendations? For additional background, I am currently running tall Night Fusion 3-dot tritium sights on my G19 as a co-witness with a Holosun 507c, and I’m spot on consistent with the dot turned off. Am also planning to throw a 507c on the Echelon when it’s time.

Thanks in advance…

 

[mrbieler]

Unless you have your prescription set up for balanced vision, your front sight will be blurry. Shoot target focused.

If you have a red dot, you shouldn't be using your irons at all. Focus on the target. Bring the dot to the target.

 

[tbonesocal]

Yes, I’m definitely keeping target-focused but with the irons in blurred-foreground, I can’t seem to find a reliable line-up point with the rear U-sight… to achieve a reliable / repeatable aim… so that I can build up the muscle memory for achieving a reliable / repeatable aim without fumbling with the U-sight. I eventually want to make this a HD option as well, that’s why I want the co-witness (or rather usable sights if there’s no dot) as a failsafe.

Maybe I’ll just splurge on the Night Fusion 3-dots and see how that goes. I also have 2 hours of prepaid / discounted lessons at DGM-Morena from their last anniversary sale, I’m probably way overdue for a checkup lesson with JG, as that’s who I first learned from.

Appreciate the advice…

 

[tbonesocal]

Next question — does anybody have experience pushing new sights onto an Echelon? Is it Glock-with-a-cheap-3D-printed-pusher-off-eBay *easy* vs. Shield-Plus-just-take-it-to-a-gunsmith-FFS *difficult*? (I’ve had experience with both)

Thanks in advance for the advice!

 

[RustVendor]

I would put the dot on and see if it's just the way you shoot that gun. Also have you ever tried to just use the housing of the dot to reference against your front sight? you may not really need a rear sight. The shooters who are really good with irons use a blacked out rear and a bright front because their index is good enough that they can put the color on target and it goes there. you shouldn't really be "aiming" with the rear.

 

[mrbieler]

Yes, I’m definitely keeping target-focused but with the irons in blurred-foreground, I can’t seem to find a reliable line-up point with the rear U-sight… to achieve a reliable / repeatable aim… so that I can build up the muscle memory for achieving a reliable / repeatable aim without fumbling with the U-sight. I eventually want to make this a HD option as well, that’s why I want the co-witness (or rather usable sights if there’s no dot) as a failsafe.

Maybe I’ll just splurge on the Night Fusion 3-dots and see how that goes. I also have 2 hours of prepaid / discounted lessons at DGM-Morena from their last anniversary sale, I’m probably way overdue for a checkup lesson with JG, as that’s who I first learned from.

Appreciate the advice…

It's no different. Flat across the top and even space on the sides. The u rear frames the bottom of the front dot but the principles are the same. If you're nearsighted, your sights are going to be a blur regardless with your corrective lenses/contacts unless you invest in shooting glasses and will you be wearing those at 2AM or in a CCW situation?

I'm not saying the U sight is everyones cup of tea, but nearsighted shooters aren't going to get the sight picture everyone tells you you need to achieve.

 

[tbonesocal]

Hey everyone - thanks for the feedback!

Ok, putting the dot on + getting it properly zero’ed and practicing likely *is* the best way forward to build the muscle memory at this point vs dropping $100+ on new sights.

I’ll pocket the $ and save it for my next purchase… maybe a Walther PDP… seems to be popular with the ladies these days…