Route 66 Shooting Park Installs FLOCK Camera facing into the range to spy on patrons! Thoughts!??

[Sent it with Jesus]

I think that is the info most people here would like to know

I don’t think it matters at this point. The people who are still mad will remain mad, and the people who have moved on have already moved on.

 

[revy]

gona be interesting if its still up during r66 range expo

 

[Sent it with Jesus]

gona be interesting if its still up during r66 range expo

They removed it a few days ago. It’s been trending on Instagram and Facebook.

 

[Hamburger Monster]

I don’t think it matters at this point. The people who are still mad will remain mad, and the people who have moved on have already moved on.

What about the people here still bickering about it?

 

[Sent it with Jesus]

What about the people here still bickering about it?

The people who are still mad will remain mad

 

[Sent it with Jesus]

No, one seems to care about Raahauges

 

[grandpapeepap]

No, one seems to care about Raahauges

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you should make a thread about it and see if people complain in there too like here

 

[Hamburger Monster]

Another instance of missus and abuse

 

[Pew!]

...
law enforcement officers can search for things such as, hypothetically, "green sedan with American flag bumper sticker," or, "pickup truck with paint scratches on left side and dirt bike in truck bed."...

and such the search queries spans the entire network of cameras. Quite overly broad.

Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast - Engadget

Mounting privacy and security issues have residents and activists concerned.

www.engadget.com

 

[Warpspeed]

To bring this back on topic, the real question is why would a business want this on their property? There has to be some problem, or potential problem, this solves.

Does it lower your insurance premiums? Is it a requirement from your alarm system? Does the local LEA mandate it as part of your business license?

 

[Gawernator]

To bring this back on topic, the real question is why would a business want this on their property? There has to be some problem, or potential problem, this solves.

Does it lower your insurance premiums? Is it a requirement from your alarm system? Does the local LEA mandate it as part of your business license?

Heightens their security and anti theft risk by a lot that’s for sure.

 

[Warpspeed]

Heightens their security and anti theft risk by a lot that’s for sure.

Makes me wonder just how much theft they have experienced ?

 

[Hit Factor]

To bring this back on topic, the real question is why would a business want this on their property? There has to be some problem, or potential problem, this solves.

Does it lower your insurance premiums? Is it a requirement from your alarm system? Does the local LEA mandate it as part of your business license?

Why would a gun range help gun-grabbers in developing so-called “smart gun” technology that would be anything but smart to rely on?



The answer is: Who knows?

 

[john_marsten_1873]

To bring this back on topic, the real question is why would a business want this on their property? There has to be some problem, or potential problem, this solves.

Does it lower your insurance premiums? Is it a requirement from your alarm system? Does the local LEA mandate it as part of your business license?

The topic of this thread: is [unfairly] targeting R66 literally accusing them of installing Flock cameras to spy on patrons.

R66 is an FFL/Shop + range. This is the 3rd range I heard of taking them down. Gun stores are particularly vulnerable to burglaries and break-ins having those firearms end up on the streets.

In all likelihood they’re a lot more common than we think and few are paying attention to the privacy concerns.

I’ve been seeing videos of Bay Area LE agencies showing operations catching criminals. Now that cities are taking them down they’re not at all shy about saying the removal of Flock cameras is hurting their ability to solve crimes.

Also, a lot of issues we’re learning about Flock is after the fact: Oshkosh, WI voted 7-0 to cancel the Flock contract they approved 24 hours earlier. Basically, the police chief said the Flock rep misrepresented what the system does with regard to privacy:

Oshkosh council rescinds Flock camera contract after ‘false statements’

Oshkosh Police Chief Dean Smith said members of his agency brought him security information about the product that conflicted with what Flock Safety representatives shared with the council Tuesday

www.wbay.com

 

[ikeo1]

The topic of this thread: is [unfairly] targeting R66 literally accusing them of installing Flock cameras to spy on patrons.

R66 is an FFL/Shop + range. This is the 3rd range I heard of taking them down. Gun stores are particularly vulnerable to burglaries and break-ins having those firearms end up on the streets.

In all likelihood they’re a lot more common than we think and few are paying attention to the privacy concerns.

I’ve been seeing videos of Bay Area LE agencies showing operations catching criminals. Now that cities are taking them down they’re not at all shy about saying the Flock cameras hurting their ability to solve crimes.

Also, a lot of issues we’re learning about Flock is after the fact: Oshkosh, WI voted 7-0 to cancel the Flock contract they approved 24 hours earlier. Basically, the police chief said the Flock rep misrepresented what the system does with regard to privacy:

Oshkosh council rescinds Flock camera contract after ‘false statements’

Oshkosh Police Chief Dean Smith said members of his agency brought him security information about the product that conflicted with what Flock Safety representatives shared with the council Tuesday

www.wbay.com

The privacy portion is access controls and auditing. They should be able to handle this in a straight forward way. The reality is it helps LEO which is why they want it, but it also is unbounded because of the way technology is moving. People understand tech companies are consuming everything.

The irony is when it's done at the federal level with a lot more data people stay quiet because it's their guy in charge. The reality is its a concerted effort to make the US like China since we know who admires Xi's power. The only difference is we're using companies like Anthropic/OpenAI/Palantir/Flock etc vs State owned agencies and its funded by the same people that tell you to hate on the people that's not them, while they pull the strings.

 

[john_marsten_1873]

The privacy portion is access controls and auditing. They should be able to handle this in a straight forward way. The reality is it helps LEO which is why they want it, but it also is unbounded because of the way technology is moving. People understand tech companies are consuming everything.

The irony is when it's done at the federal level with a lot more data people stay quiet because it's their guy in charge. The reality is its a concerted effort to make the US like China since we know who admires Xi's power. The only difference is we're using companies like Anthropic/OpenAI/Palantir/Flock etc vs State owned agencies and its funded by the same people that tell you to hate on the people that's not them, while they pull the strings.

I think there’s 2 parts to this:

1. Saying R66 or any small business is working with Flock or the government to spy on patron, especially those operating as gun stores. There’s convenience stores and markets in Oakland that have installed Flock cameras to help catch burglars and such. It’d make even more sense to believe installing such systems would be even more helpful as an FFL, considering the higher stakes of stolen guns ending up on the streets. My issue is with making R66 - which I’ve yet to visit or purchase from - responsible for Flock cameras being used at ranges/gun stores when it’s likely far more common than we suspect or care to. Thread about a Pennsylvania range/store removing Flock cameras: 3 pages of comments. R66 removes cameras: 7 pages of comments.

2. People don’t care about this stuff until it’s on their doorstep or has the potential to affect them: Flock cameras being used by ICE . Used by gun stores “if you haven’t committed a crime you have nothing to be afraid of” all of a sudden isn’t a viable excuse. “Selective outrage” is a major understatement. So many people now texting me: “did you hear about Flock?” when I’ve been telling them about Palantir for years. I sold my Palantir before 2025 inauguration even though I expected a 4x, minimum. But I’m just a conspiracy theorist. Also, judge rules it unconstitutional for Pentagon to label Anthropic a supply chain risk because it won’t allow models to be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-judge-rules-pentagon-blacklisting-anthropic-unlawful-2026-08-28/

Again, I’m all for a thread dedicated to privacy, surveillance state, Flock, Palantir...

My most specific issue here is what I view and as the thread title suggests, [unfairly] targeting R66 as if they’re responsible for answering for Flock or government surveillance.

 

[john_marsten_1873]

The irony is when it's done at the federal level with a lot more data people stay quiet because it's their guy in charge. The reality is its a concerted effort to make the US like China since we know who admires Xi's power. The only difference is we're using companies like Anthropic/OpenAI/Palantir/Flock etc vs State owned agencies and its funded by the same people that tell you to hate on the people that's not them, while they pull the strings.

I’m guilty/hypocritical of this too. Like, I knew what Palantir was all about during the past 2 admins, ranting about them for years. While I had already dumped most of my stock it wasn’t until after the election that I liquidated completely.

Although that was more so around the expectation that Peter Thiel would have unprecedented access and influence.

 

[Warpspeed]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I though Flock was passive. The systems records and tracks license plates going a specific direction at a specific location.

If LE wants to know about a general description vehicle ( large gray SUV ) in a general area ( DT Pomona ) at a specific time range ( Tuesday afternoon ) then Flock can give them a list.

Right ?

 

[ikeo1]

My most specific issue here is what I view and as the thread title suggests, [unfairly] targeting R66 as if they’re responsible for answering for Flock or government surveillance.

It's really probably neither. They offer the latest generation cameras and subsidize the cost with extra access. Its usually cheaper than a full out cap-ex purchase if the start up is subsidizing it from access to the information. They probably thought it was a good idea because in theory, it's not a bad system. It works. The problem is the abuse of said system because of the lack of oversight/safeguards proper permissions and retention policies.

It's when tech gives you tech and responsibility to the gov't who's not used to having the rules already laid out for them and just use it until they're told something is wrong. Kinda like laws.

R66 was just doing what was in their best interest, but the people who have access to the Flock system is the problem. If Flock DIDN'T have the government contracts, then they would be fine. Thing is, Flock is backed by the guess who? Founders Fund, same people behind Palantir, not inherently a bad thing, but where do you think they got all their gov't contracts from so fast. Its a fast route to revenue. I don't blame them for doing it, but again it's the same people behind these things. Just selective outrage.

 

[john_marsten_1873]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I though Flock was passive. The systems records and tracks license plates going a specific direction at a specific location.

If LE wants to know about a general description vehicle ( large gray SUV ) in a general area ( DT Pomona ) at a specific time range ( Tuesday afternoon ) then Flock can give them a list.

Right ?

That’s largely correct but in actuality it’s much more problematic:

The system allegedly generates heat maps for vehicles - and lets be real, probably people via facial recognition and other identifiers as well.

This article explains why Oshkosh voted down the contract 24 hours later. Flock didn’t tell the police chief that the tech generates heat maps.

Oshkosh council rescinds Flock camera contract after ‘false statements’

Oshkosh Police Chief Dean Smith said members of his agency brought him security information about the product that conflicted with what Flock Safety representatives shared with the council Tuesday

www.wbay.com