Question Selling Private Party Bulk Ammo to Nevada People?

[Seeed]

no one in NV will care

Yeah that part I’m ok with, it’s the California side in moving it or selling it being from California and having it here I wanted to be sure of.

 

[Seeed]

Source? I don't believe that's correct. They don't have to transmit buyers info but do need to collect it for their records for 5 years.

I think you're right:

• Record Keeping: Licensed vendors must record all details of the transaction, including seller and buyer information, and the ammunition type/quantity.

 

[Seeed]

I think you're right:

• Record Keeping: Licensed vendors must record all details of the transaction, including seller and buyer information, and the ammunition type/quantity.

So a question I have here then, which is a little off topic, is how can anyone audit the 500 limit being hit, if the records are in the FFL library and not submitted anywhere? How would anyone know unless they were audited across all FFLs used, and aggregated?

 

[shroom]

CA laws do not apply in Nevada. If you look at CA penal codes they're worded like "shall not import xyz" not "shall not buy xyz while outside of ca in the neighboring state." The only thing you have to worry about are federal and state laws, which in your case, would be Nevada laws.

 

[SDDAVE56]

Ostensibly among other reasons, similar to limits on firearms sales, the State claims there needs to be a divide between private individual sales and commercial sales.

Well thats easy enough. One person has a business license, the other doesn't.

 

[psun786]

Source? I don't believe that's correct. They don't have to transmit buyers info but do need to collect it for their records for 5 years.

I said the law does not require an FFL to collect the "seller’s" information. Here is what California Penal Code § 30352 states. My understanding (and I may be mistaken) is that, in practice, the vendor is treated as the seller of record at the point of transfer. Of course, there may be other reasons an FFL chooses to collect the seller’s information. It would be helpful if an FFL could chime in on how ammunition transfers are actually handled in practice.

(a) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice:

(1) The date of the sale or other transfer.
(2) The purchaser’s or transferee’s driver’s license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued.
(3) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
(4) The purchaser’s or transferee’s full name and signature.
(5) The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
(6) The purchaser’s or transferee’s full residential address and telephone number.
(7) The purchaser’s or transferee’s date of birth.

 

[weaverftw]

You can of course, but if you do NOT sell, you "technically" can't bring it back into california. Pretty sure you can just sell it here too though....

Wait does this mean if you carry and you visit NV (where you also have a valid CCW), you can’t come back into CA with loaded mag in the gun because you can’t “import” ammo??

 

[HarleyLowRiderST]

Is there a limit on how much ammo you can gift someone? Can I give my buddy 1,000 rounds of .45??

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

Remember to raise your hand in your own home to use the restroom.

 

[Dvrjon]

CA laws do not apply in Nevada. If you look at CA penal codes they're worded like "shall not import xyz" not "shall not buy xyz while outside of ca in the neighboring state." The only thing you have to worry about are federal and state laws, which in your case, would be Nevada laws.

Correct.

In re: Prop 63, the Initiative stated

SEC. 3. Purpose and Intent.
The people of the State of California declare their purpose
and intent in enacting “The Safety for All Act of 2016”
(the “Act”) to be as follows:
1. To implement reasonable and common-sense reforms
to make California’s gun safety laws the toughest in the
nation…

California laws do not apply outside of California.

Regarding the importation of ammunition, the statute says:

30314. (a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of
this state shall not bring or transport into this state any
ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained
from outside of this state unless….

No ammo vendor rules. The CA ammo purchasing/sales laws do not apply outside of the state as the statute clearly says you can purchase or otherwise obtain ammo. If you can purchase, then you can also sell without regard to CA law. If you want to bring it across the border into CA, then CA importation rules apply, but only to any ammo you obtained outside of the state. The law doesn’t prohibit the removal and return of ammo (unlike LCMs which can be removed but not returned). LEOs may have a duty to prove the ammo is being imported, but you may just have to show it wasn’t obtained outside the state.

 

[Dvrjon]

Is there a limit on how much ammo you can gift someone? Can I give my buddy 1,000 rounds of .45??

The statutes don’t mention a limit on gifts; just sales.

But if you gift them 1k rounds and they gift you $500 (or other considerations) that’s gonna be a sale.