Stacatto P4 made the roster

[Nefarious]

Got the early access email for the 4.5 yesterday. WOW one day early lol .... I did NOT purchase any. Funny enough... If I login to my account first and try to buy, the option is not there. You must use the link in email first - at least thats how it worked for me

Here we are 7/1 release day... and main website still does not allow anyone to purchase.

Edit: I lied... its now available on main page

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

They couldn’t just bring the P, they couldn’t just make a P that takes Glock mags, no. They had to reinvent the wheel and the safety.

I actually like on this model the grip safety being deleted. Probably in the minority, but since this is a 2011, and not a 1911 I say go hog wild with ideas.

 

[Hit Factor]

A ported version will follow! Do you wait for the ported or get the P4.5?

If you want to use the gun in Limited or Limited Optics, you can’t have a ported barrel. If you don’t shoot USPSA, then it’s up to you. But I don’t imagine ports will have much impact on a 4-1/2” barrel shooting 9mm ammo. I’m going to get the HD P4.5 CA as soon as it comes out.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

If you want to use the gun in Limited or Limited Optics, you can’t have a ported barrel. If you don’t shoot USPSA, then it’s up to you. But I don’t imagine ports will have much impact on a 4-1/2” barrel shooting 9mm ammo. I’m going to get the HD P4.5 CA as soon as it comes out.

What!!!??? Ports add like 20 horsepower and a cool factor of ten. Rookie lol

 

[Motion122]

If you want to use the gun in Limited or Limited Optics, you can’t have a ported barrel. If you don’t shoot USPSA, then it’s up to you. But I don’t imagine ports will have much impact on a 4-1/2” barrel shooting 9mm ammo. I’m going to get the HD P4.5 CA as soon as it comes out.

I have two Shied Plus's, one ported and one not, there is a difference, even in a 3.1" barrel. That said, most of the pistols I own are now ported or compensated, even my wheel guns. Once I have gone down that road, it's hard to go back to a standard version.

 

[Motion122]

Really? Whered you see that? That is awesome if so

It's the natural path, as seen in the Staccato lineup. They want you to upgrade every year. lol

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

It's the natural path, as seen in the Staccato lineup. They want you to upgrade every year. lol

Just like an IPhone

 

[JackRydden224]

After watching videos after videos of the P4 I decided to wait for a smaller version of the P4, one that takes a G19 magazine, aluminum frame making the gun better for carry.

Now if we can get something that’s 3.5” barrel and 0.5” sight block that would be a dream gun level product. Think a shrunken down P4.5

 

[chefdude]

Go to 2A zone and get yourself a Jacob Gray you’ll be happy. You did much happier.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Not gonna lie, I want specifically because it can take Glock mags in a pinch and I prefer my trigger around 4lbs-4.5lbs.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Must be dumb cops because they didnt have to wait for the CA model lol

Departments for on duty carry have different requirements. A drop safety/FPS are often times one of them as is at least a 4lb-5lb trigger minimum.

 

[JackRydden224]

Not gonna lie, I want specifically because it can take Glock mags in a pinch and I prefer my trigger around 4lbs-4.5lbs.

My top 2 PCCs runs Glock mags so logistically it's easier to have a pistol that also run Glock mags

Really hoping for a smaller HD or Platypus that takes G19 mags (I would like to think that the HD P4 is one grip swap away from taking G19 mags).

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Tried to get a Staccato yesterday but they were sold out.

 

[FNfan]

Departments for on duty carry have different requirements. A drop safety/FPS are often times one of them as is at least a 4lb-5lb trigger minimum.

What dept is this that requires “on roster” guns? The HD already is drop safe before the ed CA version.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

What dept is this that requires “on roster” guns? The HD already is drop safe before the ed CA version.

Not sure why you asked me this, I did not say "On Roster" Ca version. It's the Fire Pin Safety / drop safety with a minimum 4 - 4.5 lbs minimum trigger pull weight (with manual safety) that is required at some departments. The fact that the California on roster model fit that criteria is coincidental but explains why LEO's would be buying this model vs off roster Staccatos.

 

[FNfan]

Not sure why you asked me this, I did not say "On Roster" Ca version. It's the Fire Pin Safety / drop safety with a minimum 4 - 4.5 lbs minimum trigger pull weight (with manual safety) that is required at some departments. The fact that the California on roster model fit that criteria is coincidental but explains why LEO's would be buying this model vs off roster Staccatos.

Youre the one that quoted my posts so seems pretty obvious why Id be asking you. What about the off roster HD doesnt fit this supposed criteria….? Cops arent buying on-roster models.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Youre the one that quoted my posts so seems pretty obvious why Id be asking you. What about the off roster HD doesnt fit this supposed criteria….? Cops arent buying on-roster models.

I guess it was the way you framed your question that distracted me from the fact that I had quoted your post earlier. I made my post because one of the Gun Shop Owner FFL’s earlier was saying how LEO’s were in fact snatching them up which led me to conclude that some of the old requirements were still in effect.

I no longer have any LEO contacts, but individual department armorers would recommend the criteria for approval by higher ups, who depending on department size, sometimes would have to clear it through city/county attorneys to weigh in.

Some are ok with drop safety only (1911 that generally means a titanium firing pin with overpowered firing pin spring) some require it to be drop safe by having a mechanical firing pin safety (1911 think series 80 or Kimber Swartz FPS).

All at the time that I know of had a minimum pull weight with manual thumb safety, 4lbs was the lowest I knew of, but cannot remember which department.

I will not name departments now because I haven’t been close to any LEOs/ Armorers or ranges for eight years.

But I do know off the top of my head SDPD and NCPD allow 1911’s so if you are San Diego local if you see one rocking a 1911 or 2011 ask them. If they are carrying one of those, they are probably older and into the gun culture.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

So, like I said I went to the LGS that actually sells Staccatos and they were sold out waiting on new shipments. I want one, but first need to hold it in hand to know if I like the way it “Feels,” and how well I can manipulate the controls, etc. Those of us with smaller hands that is an even bigger deal.

That said, I did hold the Shadow Systems with a Comp. It felt perfect, weight/balance is outstanding. I know it will not be an apples to apples, but if the Staccato doesn’t fit my hands, I have a backup plan as the Shadow Systems seems to fix all of my Glock gripes and fit my hands like a glove. Not an OJ Simpson glove that is.

Not a money issue for me, I truly like both style (1911 - Glock style) platforms and can shoot equally well. I just happen to prefer hammer fired pistols.

 

[ARMEDREALITY]

So, like I said I went to the LGS that actually sells Staccatos and they were sold out waiting on new shipments. I want one, but first need to hold it in hand to know if I like the way it “Feels,” and how well I can manipulate the controls, etc. Those of us with smaller hands that is an even bigger deal.

That said, I did hold the Shadow Systems with a Comp. It felt perfect, weight/balance is outstanding. I know it will not be an apples to apples, but if the Staccato doesn’t fit my hands, I have a backup plan as the Shadow Systems seems to fix all of my Glock gripes and fit my hands like a glove. Not an OJ Simpson glove that is.

Not a money issue for me, I truly like both style (1911 - Glock style) platforms and can shoot equally well. I just happen to prefer hammer fired pistols.

If your close to Madera, I have one you can shoot and have one in stock.

Regards,

Vito

 

[Mil-Dot]

A 2011 has landed and it is not an Infinity or an SSE2. Those with Freedom Week Glock mags rejoice

P4*

oag.ca.gov

Thats not a 2011 it is a series 80 pistol if anything. Calling it a 2011 is just blasphemy to even the tiest 2011 in the market.