Telescopic/expandable batons

[mblat1968]

It seems that under Fouts v. Bonta extendable batons are legal ( at least for now ).
I would like to get one. Any place online what would sell and ship it to CA?

 

[mcusr1991]

you can get one at any gun store now. i do strongly recommend that you take some classes on the proper method of usage though..many people don't realize you should get trained with using a baton before carrying one, similar to getting trained with a firearm before carrying one.

 

[raellic]

That is a shock of a ruling-- I had no idea about this, and I wonder why it wasn't in the news.

100% get training on a baton before carrying one-- especially with retention. Your average criminal isn't going to think twice before hitting you in the head with your own baton. I don't know if I even want to carry one for this reason, because any scenario where I would use a baton would justify going to the pistol, and I'd rather have the gun.

 

[couragewolf]

It seems that under Fouts v. Bonta extendable batons are legal ( at least for now ).
I would like to get one. Any place online what would sell and ship it to CA?

you might make sure you brush up on the legal scenarios that may come out of using a baton:

 

[thawolf]

It's been like that for a while. See this notice on "injunction of enforcement"

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/media/2024-dle-08.pdf

 

[mcusr1991]

That is a shock of a ruling-- I had no idea about this, and I wonder why it wasn't in the news.

100% get training on a baton before carrying one-- especially with retention. Your average criminal isn't going to think twice before hitting you in the head with your own baton. I don't know if I even want to carry one for this reason, because any scenario where I would use a baton would justify going to the pistol, and I'd rather have the gun.

The whole point is that this is a less than lethal option to use. Any device you use should include training on what to do and what not to do to ensure that you achieve the maximum benefit. The other person is correct about using a baseball bat or crowbar.Hitting someone on the head, but the point of using a baton is not to strike someone.And kill them, but rather to disable them and stop the attack as quickly as possible.

 

[raellic]

I don't know how I feel about this ruling. I don't think expandable batons are a defensive weapon, nor are they likely to actually be less lethal when used by an average civilian. This isn't the same argument as someone being able to take away your gun or knife and use it on you-- the difference is the gun or knife are always deadly force under the law, while with the "less lethal" baton it's still easy to accidentally kill someone. The baseball bat and crowbar are less dangerous because they're less concealable, and you also have a lot more warning if you see a guy carrying a bat down the street versus a concealed ASP baton.

 

[couragewolf]

I don't know how I feel about this ruling. I don't think expandable batons are a defensive weapon, nor are they likely to actually be less lethal when used by an average civilian. This isn't the same argument as someone being able to take away your gun or knife and use it on you-- the difference is the gun or knife are always deadly force under the law, while with the "less lethal" baton it's still easy to accidentally kill someone. The baseball bat and crowbar are less dangerous because they're less concealable, and you also have a lot more warning if you see a guy carrying a bat down the street versus a concealed ASP baton.

So should we load up the baton rounds for our public excursions?

 

[mcusr1991]

This conversation is beginning to take the "stupid" route. You should use common sense and what you are comfortable with.. EOM

 

[mblat1968]

I would like to clarify. I live in an area with a lot of coyotes.
When I walk with the dog I want to have something with me. Currently I carry a wooden stick but it is a PITA.

Hence collapsible button that I can carry on belt.

I welcome other suggestions

 

[couragewolf]

This conversation is beginning to take the "stupid" route. You should use common sense and what you are comfortable with.. EOM

Why is an expandable baton less than lethal and a crowbar as described lethal?

Seems to me whoever is carrying one of these around is really setting themselves up for legal trouble and will have a great deal of trouble with their self defense argument.