Would you support a gun range or gun store or any gun related business that the owner was Pro Flock Cameras and or Pro ATF?

[LtDan459]

I’m curious to hear your thoughts on this.

Given recent reports about Flock cameras being positioned near gun stores and concerns about whether information from these systems could be used to monitor or track patrons, I find myself questioning why any gun-related business or its owners would choose to publicly support policies or government actions that, in my view, could potentially have broader implications for the firearms industry.

Considering the history and role of federal agencies such as the ATF in regulating the firearms industry, I think it’s reasonable for gun owners and firearms businesses to have questions about surveillance, privacy, and the relationship between government agencies and the businesses they regulate. not to mention the history with ATF at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Obviously, everyone has the right to their own opinions and political beliefs, including business owners. My concern is more about the broader principle. The firearms industry is already subject to extensive regulation and scrutiny, so when businesses within that industry appear to support additional government involvement or surveillance, it can raise legitimate questions about where the line should be drawn.

I’m not suggesting that every business owner who holds a particular position has bad intentions. I simply find the situation concerning and believe it’s worth having an open, respectful discussion about privacy, government oversight, and the long-term implications for both firearms businesses and their customers.

What do you think?

 

[ButteFlyFisher]

AI bot?

 

[lactoast]

You're welcome to take a look at the long thread here where the topic's been discussed at length.

It's worth keeping in mind that being a business owner doesn't automatically mean someone will always make the best decisions for their business, in the same way that having a kid doesn't guarantee someone is going to be a good parent.

 

[john_marsten_1873]

You're welcome to take a look at the long thread here where the topic's been discussed at length.

It's worth keeping in mind that being a business owner doesn't automatically mean someone will always make the best decisions for their business, in the same way that having a kid doesn't guarantee someone is going to be a good parent.

FWIW from that thread there’s no indication that R66 or any other of the stores/ranges that removed Flock cameras “support” Flock and/or the ATF.

I talked to a few people who own or lease properties that are non-firearms related businesses and they said it was sold to them similar to how a regular security camera service/product would have been.

Some of them didn’t really care - or see what the big deal is - but most of them removed the cameras, partly from fear of backlash or vandalism.

 

[lactoast]

FWIW from that thread there’s no indication that R66 or any other of the stores/ranges that removed Flock cameras “support” Flock and/or the ATF.

Fair enough, although it's still worth checking out as a snapshot of what people think of Flock in general, as opposed to starting another conversational thread.

To begin with, it's hard to know whether a business "supports" something unless you know the owner. Sure, you can consider all those "I did that" stickers and pride flags to be support, but the cynic in me thinks most of it is pandering to whatever market they're trying to capture. After all, most businesses will support whatever brings them profit.

 

[treelogger]

Would I support a gun range/store that likes hot weather? Or prefers rainy days?

My attitude: We have a first amendment that guarantees freedom of speech, thought, and opinion. It does not guarantee the right to commit crimes though. Which neither Flock nor the ATF is. I have frequented gun stores whose owner's political opinions agree with mine, and those that very much disagree with mine. I think living in a bubble or echo chamber where you only want to deal with people you politically agree with is not a good thing.

 

[LtDan459]

Fair enough, although it's still worth checking out as a snapshot of what people think of Flock in general, as opposed to starting another conversational thread.

To begin with, it's hard to know whether a business "supports" something unless you know the owner. Sure, you can consider all those "I did that" stickers and pride flags to be support, but the cynic in me thinks most of it is pandering to whatever market they're trying to capture. After all, most businesses will support whatever brings them profit.

Well that owner I don't know him personally however he posted on a public form on Facebook supporting Flock Cameras and ATF.

While yea a gun business will have security cameras for their own to protect their business I understand that. But supporting flock knowing what people think about it? And saying that anything against Flock is nothing but anti police bashing.

While a gun business has to deal with the dreadful ATF he made it seem like they are nice guys and that what we hear about them on the internet is just redirect. Then saying he loves and supports them? I get one has to work with them that's the law. But as a gun business not a good idea don't too public and say you love and support them especially given this history of that agency. That puts me off as how do I trust you? I go to your range do I have to worry about you reporting me for anything?

On Reddit whether it's true or not right now it's hear say but some have made claims they have been threatened by staff of being reported to the FBI. Again I can't take their word for it I less their is proof. But given that owners comments recently make me question everything.

 

[Gawernator]

If their prices are the best and good service yeah lol

 

[Warpspeed]

I’m curious to hear your thoughts on this.

Given recent reports about Flock cameras being positioned near gun stores and concerns about whether information from these systems could be used to monitor or track patrons, I find myself questioning why any gun-related business or its owners would choose to publicly support policies or government actions that, in my view, could potentially have broader implications for the firearms industry.

Considering the history and role of federal agencies such as the ATF in regulating the firearms industry, I think it’s reasonable for gun owners and firearms businesses to have questions about surveillance, privacy, and the relationship between government agencies and the businesses they regulate. not to mention the history with ATF at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Obviously, everyone has the right to their own opinions and political beliefs, including business owners. My concern is more about the broader principle. The firearms industry is already subject to extensive regulation and scrutiny, so when businesses within that industry appear to support additional government involvement or surveillance, it can raise legitimate questions about where the line should be drawn.

I’m not suggesting that every business owner who holds a particular position has bad intentions. I simply find the situation concerning and believe it’s worth having an open, respectful discussion about privacy, government oversight, and the long-term implications for both firearms businesses and their customers.

What do you think?

 

[Gawernator]

I’m curious to hear your thoughts on this.

Given recent reports about Flock cameras being positioned near gun stores and concerns about whether information from these systems could be used to monitor or track patrons, I find myself questioning why any gun-related business or its owners would choose to publicly support policies or government actions that, in my view, could potentially have broader implications for the firearms industry.

Considering the history and role of federal agencies such as the ATF in regulating the firearms industry, I think it’s reasonable for gun owners and firearms businesses to have questions about surveillance, privacy, and the relationship between government agencies and the businesses they regulate. not to mention the history with ATF at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Obviously, everyone has the right to their own opinions and political beliefs, including business owners. My concern is more about the broader principle. The firearms industry is already subject to extensive regulation and scrutiny, so when businesses within that industry appear to support additional government involvement or surveillance, it can raise legitimate questions about where the line should be drawn.

I’m not suggesting that every business owner who holds a particular position has bad intentions. I simply find the situation concerning and believe it’s worth having an open, respectful discussion about privacy, government oversight, and the long-term implications for both firearms businesses and their customers.

What do you think?

I mean if you’re that concerned a license plate reader hits you at the gun store you probably shouldn’t be seen going to gun stores, like you’re a felon etc.

There’s already LPR cameras everywhere, I’m not gonna go to a more expensive store because they have a different brand of camera around them.

You’re joking yourself if you think people will care. They’ll accept it. Most people are comfortable sheep.

And people will spend $50 less on a much worse product just because it’s cheaper.

 

[Churro]

California already requires gun stores to hold audio and video of everything that happens in the store for several years. So at any given moment Ca DOJ can come in and demand to see exactly what you are doing. TBH all of our information is already out there and the biggest snitch is your cell phone which is hearing everything and providing it to the feds and Walmart.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

I support it. We're already recorded (visual and audio) at gun stores, and there are cameras everywhere...people recording, security cameras in 4K, Ring cams on nearly every door and driveway, etc. I'm all for criminals being caught and prosecuted.