Open AB-1263 - Online sale ban - I changed the title because it was too clickbaity.

[Deleted member 16735]

The "reasonable controls", like verifying ID and shipping to billing address, don't need to be done in the case of selling to an FFL or a wholesaler. This is why we are seeing some manufacturers come out and say they won't ship to end users, but they will continue to ship to FFL's and gun stores. Below is the excerpt from AB1263 that applies in this case (with bolded text for emphasis).

I missed that part, I always be reading these things late at night and then commenting out my ass... Well anyway, good luck to them no one is going to buy their stuff if that's how they want to play it.

 

[shroom]

Wonder if this law implicates cartridge conversion cylinders for cap and ball revolvers. Probably does huh, as it would allow you to reload faster.

 

[Crumpet]

Wonder if this law implicates cartridge conversion cylinders for cap and ball revolvers. Probably does huh, as it would allow you to reload faster.

Do you have to take the cylinder out to reload them? Because technically that's a disassembled gun. Its no faster than swapping cyclenders. My dad has one and I forget if you have to remove the cylinder or not. 1861 navy

 

[Skilly]

it might be worth saying whats been said in other threads. And, it seems like no better a time than now to get your FFL-03 and COE. Its actually super quick and aside from needing the Livescan its VERY easy. Pays for itself if you use any decent amount of ammo, and now this.

 

[Joker67]

I thought it was still unclear that if getting your FFL-03 and COE would exempt you from buying parts and or barrels after Jan 1, 2026.

AB 1263 Guidance for Manufacturers and FFLs - CRPA

INFORMATION BULLETIN: ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 1263 GUIDE FOR THE FIREARM INDUSTRY-NOVEMBER 26, 2025 The following...

crpa.org

Duck Duck Go AI says it MAY.

Google AI says it DOESN'T.

Grok says this:

Exemptions Under AB 1263The bill includes targeted exemptions for sales, deliveries, and digital code distribution, but none specifically for FFL03 COE holders:

• Federally licensed firearms dealers, manufacturers, or importers (any type of FFL, including Type 01/07 dealers or Type 07/10 manufacturers).
• Licensed ammunition vendors.
• Wholesalers.
• Armed Forces/National Guard members (on duty, in scope of employment).
• Law enforcement agencies/officers (on duty, in scope).
• Forensic laboratories.
• Deliveries to licensed common carriers (e.g., UPS/FedEx agents acting in official capacity).

A Type 03 FFL qualifies as a "federally licensed firearms manufacturer" under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 921), so shipments to an FFL03 holder would be exempt if treated as a licensed entity. However:

• FFL03 is limited to curio/relic (C&R) collectors and does not authorize commercial dealing or manufacturing for sale.
• COE is a state background check certification for personal firearm possession, not a vendor license.
• Community analysis (e.g., firearm forums and legal overviews) confirms no carve-out for FFL03/COE holders as individual consumers—shipments of regulated items (e.g., barrels or accessories) must still go through a Type 01/07 FFL for in-person pickup, with age/ID verification.

 

[cali_jazz]

KLVR Statement on 1263:

Klvrco – California-Compliant Products, Accessories

KLVRco captivating products, premium accessories, and stylish sporting apparel designed for enthusiasts who prioritize safety and performance. Explore innovative, regulation-friendly solutions and gear up with apparel built for the range and beyond!

www.klvrco.com

 

[badsushi]

Sometimes when I’m out of state, I have parts sent to my hotel room when I find a good deal.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

KLVR Statement on 1263:

Klvrco – California-Compliant Products, Accessories

KLVRco captivating products, premium accessories, and stylish sporting apparel designed for enthusiasts who prioritize safety and performance. Explore innovative, regulation-friendly solutions and gear up with apparel built for the range and beyond!

www.klvrco.com

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I suppose it's possible but it would be wild if the bill that regulates "accessories that assemble an assault weapon" actually regulates and makes it harder to get parts that literally turn "assault weapons" into legal rifles.

 

[denpython]

Just an FYI: The term "firearm component" is used in the definition “firearm-related product” and that is only used to define who a "firearm industry member" is. In other words, "firearm component" is not part of the regulated parts. BUT...



This definition seems to be firstly focused on things like binary or crank triggers, but could apply to just nicer triggers. Then it seems to focus on things like fixed mag devices that help a person crack the upper receiver faster like the AR Maglock / King Pin combo or the Juggernaut Hellfighter kit for AR rifles and pistols. Then it mentions the devices of Section 30515 which are the “features” that make up an “AW” in California… things like barrel shrouds (handguards), pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, adjustable stocks, folding stocks, flash hiders, forward pistol grips, etc.. Lastly it throws a large net to capture just about everything else by adding "includes any other device, tool, kit, part, or parts set that is clearly designed and intended for use in manufacturing firearms". This is so vague and we don’t know if springs, detents, lower parts kits, muzzle brakes, armorers wrenches, special vise blocks, reaction rods, etc. are included or not in that last sentence.

Once we get clarity, this will probably include a lot of parts we commonly buy online. The new "reasonable controls" on sellers, especially the age and ID verification and shipping, will likely cause many online retailers to stop selling to California.

OK I was researching this new law just now and this thread for a bit more clarity. None really found.

This specific question might be premature because it appears that most people are waiting for clarity from CA DOJ.

But at this point in time, would it be safe to presume that revolver triggers and small semi-auto pistol rear and front sights are not included in the 'firearm parts/accessories' restriction of ab 1263?

thanks

 

[Joker67]

Or adhesive decal grips ?

 

[Sparrow Dynamics]

OK I was researching this new law just now and this thread for a bit more clarity. None really found.

This specific question might be premature because it appears that most people are waiting for clarity from CA DOJ.

But at this point in time, would it be safe to presume that revolver triggers and small semi-auto pistol rear and front sights are not included in the 'firearm parts/accessories' restriction of ab 1263?

thanks

Michel & Associates finally gave some guidance... but we all still have questions that can't be answered until the DOJ puts out some regs. But, we all know those regs will be vague too. https://crpa.org/news/alert/ab-1263-guidance-for-manufacturers-and-ffls/

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

 

[JohntheBaptized]

Does anyone know if Langdon will still be dealing with us Californians? I won’t have the money to get my slide cut, inox cerakote, and flat faced trigger on my PX4 until next year. Gonna be big Sadge if I can’t get it done at all.

 

[Sloat]

I would think that services wouldn't be affected. Perhaps there might be some grey area with the flat faced trigger, unlike the other elements which aren't selling you any kinds of goods. But I would think that since they're a company that is focused on smaller volumes, they'd be able to work with the requirements like Midway without much difficulty.

 

[M_N04H]

Wager Machine works will also continue services for now. I asked, because they also sell iron sights etc.

 

[axhoaxho]

What common spare parts (handgun, rifle, etc.) would you folks recommend to stock up, before the AB1263 kicks-in next year?

 

[gorgothmog]

Just a wild idea to get a ton of traffic for this place:

How about @ikeo1 and staff create some sort of verification tool that allows for the independent checking of IDs? Then the email address that is used gets some sort of revokable token that outside venders can use an API call to make sure they can ship to the address. I'd pay $10 a year to make that happen. Imagine all the shops saying "Go to CAGuns.net and create your CAGunID Account to have parts shipped directly to your residence."

 

[M_N04H]

What common spare parts (handgun, rifle, etc.) would you folks recommend to stock up, before the AB1263 kicks-in next year?

 

[gorgothmog]

Just a wild idea to get a ton of traffic for this place:

How about @ikeo1 and staff create some sort of verification tool that allows for the independent checking of IDs? Then the email address that is used gets some sort of revokable token that outside venders can use an API call to make sure they can ship to the address. I'd pay $10 a year to make that happen. Imagine all the shops saying "Go to CAGuns.net and create your CAGunID Account to have parts shipped directly to your residence."

You could even have a section to upload your FFL03 and COE. The potential for this could be huge, and the perfect workaround for AB 1263.

 

[cali_jazz]

Just a wild idea to get a ton of traffic for this place:

How about @ikeo1 and staff create some sort of verification tool that allows for the independent checking of IDs? Then the email address that is used gets some sort of revokable token that outside venders can use an API call to make sure they can ship to the address. I'd pay $10 a year to make that happen. Imagine all the shops saying "Go to CAGuns.net and create your CAGunID Account to have parts shipped directly to your residence."

I don't speak for @ikeo1 but that sounds like a ton of overhead to manage and $10 a year far too little, but my main concern would be the legal liability of getting between California consumers, suppliers, and the DOJ.