Open AB-1263 - Online sale ban - I changed the title because it was too clickbaity.

[ikeo1]

Here's another straw man. After 1/1/26, am I okay to sell parts to a minor via the classifieds, since according to your logic I'm a consumer and not a business?

Minors aren't allowed here and you agree not to do anything unlawful here..

 

[star.3d]

Minors aren't allowed here and you agree not to do anything unlawful here..

Ok - Marketplace then. My question for those above is fundamentally... are you confident none of the subsections of AB1263 apply to you as a private seller? I'm not.

 

[ikeo1]

Ok - Marketplace then. My question for those above is fundamentally... are you confident none of the subsections of AB1263 apply to you as a private seller? I'm not.

It's too early to tell. I'm sure folks like @kmoros or @Gunownersca or crpa will have some issues with it. But they all have to wait til it impacts people before they can open up a complaint then follow the legal process.

For now stores will need to be able to adjust accordingly. Some are taking a wait and see approach, which IMO is the right thing to do because it's better to be conservative vs adversarial. Everyone is open to doing what they want and will accept that level of risk associated with it.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

If the barrel must be purchased at an FFL, that will apply to a private sale as well.

Oh shiza, what’s up dude; calguns ayyyyyy, old site folks. What about just parts and accessories; not barrels?

 

[Motion122]

Oh shiza, what’s up dude; calguns ayyyyyy, old site folks. What about just parts and accessories; not barrels?

Barrels will likely be like ammo between private parties, with an eligibility check at the FFL. Once we go into 1/1/2027 with a background check on barrels, you bet it's going to be PPT at FFL.

Doesn't look like we are at that point with accessories yet, but it's sure heading in that direction.

 

[Joker67]

I bought replacement parts for all my pistols. Everyone, except Sig , delivered without signature required. I’ve had 2 missed notices on my door in 2 days. The required Signature part of the law will make it a huge pain to get a recoil spring or extractor. I bought what I thought I would need for 4 or 5 years which I’m hoping is long enough to get this stayed.

Most gun owners don’t shoot enough to need to replace a recoil spring/assembly, hammer spring or barrel so they won’t notice. For those that do shoot a lot and tune their guns , this sucks.

 

[Deleted member 31158]

I bought replacement parts for all my pistols. Everyone, except Sig , delivered without signature required. I’ve had 2 missed notices on my door in 2 days. The required Signature part of the law will make it a huge pain to get a recoil spring or extractor. I bought what I thought I would need for 4 or 5 years which I’m hoping is long enough to get this stayed.

Most gun owners don’t shoot enough to need to replace a recoil spring/assembly, hammer spring or barrel so they won’t notice. For those that do shoot a lot and tune their guns , this sucks.

4-5 decades is probably more realistic. Sure it'll get stayed, probably by St Benitez, then the 9th circus will stay the stay and we'll be right back at square 1. Remember, CA has unlimited money thanks to the taxpayers, so they can drag this out as long as they want. I so cannot wait to get out of here next year.

 

[fiatlux]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet but since online sales require the upload of DL and they'll only ship to the address on file that means you have to give even more money to California ($36) reporting your DL as lost or stolen if you decide to move.

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

There's those that will take this law which has no bearing to us, non-firearm industry members to apply to themselves completely and continue to push so onto others.

We call them Temporary Gun Owners, or those that are the "problem" with every gun control measure.

Stop being a B. Read this law and every other gun control measured law that exists in CA.

"ALL CA RESIDENTS or ALL FIREARM INDUSTRY MEMBERS." WHICH IS IT?

Even our CA 2A lawyers are dumb. Lawyers are going to lawyer.

I know you mods going to delete this post of mine, but some of y'all needed to hear it.

 

[star.3d]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet but since online sales require the upload of DL and they'll only ship to the address on file that means you have to give even more money to California ($36) reporting your DL as lost or stolen if you decide to move.

Yep - it even suggests that sellers may not sell to CA residents outside of California. Which is constitutionally questionable... But I wouldn't be surprised if some retailers decline to sell to CA billing addresses, regardless.

(e) (1) Prior to completing the sale or delivery in California or to a California resident ... a firearm industry member shall comply with all of the following requirements:

 

[Yetiultimate]

Yep - it even suggests that sellers may not sell to CA residents outside of California. Which is constitutionally questionable... But I wouldn't be surprised if some retailers decline to sell to CA billing addresses, regardless.

EGW and Geiselle have already spat upon you in this way. Your rights are less important than their convenience. Forever on the blacklist.

Curious to see what eBay does with all this. Very few sellers there are private party anymore. Most of those vendors can be considered Industry Members

 

[fiatlux]

If I go to the next state over and walk into a gun store and purchase barrels, accessories, etc. I'm legally allowed to bring them in right? Or once the barrel background check process goes into place I now can't buy barrels out of state in person?

 

[sw629]

EGW and Geiselle have already spat upon you in this way. Your rights are less important than their convenience. Forever on the blacklist.

Curious to see what eBay does with all this. Very few sellers there are private party anymore. Most of those vendors can be considered Industry Members

Been contacting eBay almost daily about this. Long time seller there, and knowing what they're gonna decide with this is critical to find out, for my seller account. Their reps have no knowledge of the new law. Managed to get a couple to "take notes", one was actually intrigued enough to send me to an agent in their special handling unit, who promised to forward the info to their legal dept - as if they don't already know about this. But time is running out to just "keep selling into CA", without at least getting the pre-sale affidavit in place, ID check, etc - and what to do about extra charges for shipping labels needing Adult Signature AND ID verification - without affecting buyers in the other 49 States? And, being a CA company, I'm sure part of their dilemma is to choose to accommodate the other 49, for now, until a fix is in for CA... Or, take the high road and do away with all of it. Either way, I can't just cancel orders to CA - but how can I NOT?? Agree entirely that there's at least as many business Sellers as there are private sellers, in those categories on that site.

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

Been contacting eBay almost daily about this. Long time seller there, and knowing what they're gonna decide with this is critical to find out, for my seller account. Their reps have no knowledge of the new law. Managed to get a couple to "take notes", one was actually intrigued enough to send me to an agent in their special handling unit, who promised to forward the info to their legal dept - as if they don't already know about this. But time is running out to just "keep selling into CA", without at least getting the pre-sale affidavit in place, ID check, etc - and what to do about extra charges for shipping labels needing Adult Signature AND ID verification - without affecting buyers in the other 49 States? And, being a CA company, I'm sure part of their dilemma is to choose to accommodate the other 49, for now, until a fix is in for CA... Or, take the high road and do away with all of it. Either way, I can't just cancel orders to CA - but how can I NOT?? Agree entirely that there's at least as many business Sellers as there are private sellers, in those categories on that site.

How about you just not contact ebay and rat yourself and everyone else out? First post? Hmmm.....

 

[cali_jazz]

If I go to the next state over and walk into a gun store and purchase barrels, accessories, etc. I'm legally allowed to bring them in right? Or once the barrel background check process goes into place I now can't buy barrels out of state in person?

Not sure why buying a barrel out of state would be any different than a gun, it would need to be transacted FFL to FFL (after the background part goes in to effect). Regarding 1263, since it doesn't completely prevent parts purchases, but rather restricts the way they can occur, it would be up to the retailer to to comply. I'm not sure how this would be enforced though.

b. Civil Code § 3273.51(e).
Amendments to this section require that, beginning January 1, 2026, before completing the sale or
delivery in California or to a California resident of a firearm accessory or a firearm manufacturing machine,
or a firearm barrel unattached to a firearm, a firearm industry member shall do all the following:
1) Provide a prospective purchaser with a clear and conspicuous notice of specified information (outlined
below);
2) Receive an acknowledgment from the prospective purchaser attesting that they received and understand
the notice; and,
3) Require the prospective purchaser to provide proof of age and identity, verifying that the prospective
purchaser is at least 18 years of age

 

[shroom]

There are no such requirements for someone to be sold a barrel in Nevada. As highly as I'm sure the CA legislature thinks of itself, it can't create laws for other states. If there isn't language in the bill such as "a california resident may not bring in xyz without going through an ffl" or "a califormia resident shall not do xyz" then I don't think theres anything preventing the purchase of barrels out of state.

 

[cali_jazz]

There are no such requirements for someone to be sold a barrel in Nevada. As highly as I'm sure the CA legislature thinks of itself, it can't create laws for other states. If there isn't language in the bill such as "a california resident may not bring in xyz without going through an ffl" or "a califormia resident shall not do xyz" then I don't think theres anything preventing the purchase of barrels out of state.

Keep on dreaming. After Jan 1 July 1st (corrected after discussion) it will be illegal for California residents to acquire a barrel other than through an FFL. Sure, you can go to the next state, purchase one and bring it back, just like ammo or whatever else is illegal to acquire here outside the laws, but you risk getting caught and prosecuted. Will the state actually make the effort for one barrel by itself with no other crimes? Doubt it, but the cost of defending yourself even if just arrested is high. The state has unlimited funds if they choose to go after you, that is why most of out of state vendors will comply, they don't want to be the example.

 

[shroom]

Keep on dreaming. After Jan 1 it will be illegal for California residents to acquire a barrel other than through an FFL. Sure, you can go to the next state, purchase one and bring it back, just like ammo or whatever else is illegal to acquire here outside the laws, but you risk getting caught and prosecuted. Will the state actually make the effort for one barrel by itself with no other crimes? Doubt it, but the cost of defending yourself even if just arrested is high. The state has unlimited funds if they choose to go after you, that is why most of out of state vendors will comply, they don't want to be the example.

Where does the law say that though? Again, CA cannot legislate for other states. Perhaps buying a barrel out of state and then bringing it into the state even for personal use would make you a "firearm industry member" as you are engaging in "importation."

Out of state shops will comply? I know from experience that ffls in Nevada don't give a flying F-. I regularly buy ammo in Reno when I go there for gunshows (I have a coe+ffl03 so bringing it in is legal) but the shops there don't so much as bat an eye when I show them a CA driver's license, if they ask to see it at all.

 

[Motion122]

Yep - it even suggests that sellers may not sell to CA residents outside of California. Which is constitutionally questionable... But I wouldn't be surprised if some retailers decline to sell to CA billing addresses, regardless.

I agree. Some retailers don't want the extra hassle or liability.

 

[cali_jazz]

Where does the law say that though? Again, CA cannot legislate for other states. Perhaps buying a barrel out of state and then bringing it into the state even for personal use would make you a "firearm industry member" as you are engaging in "importation."

Out of state shops will comply? I know from experience that ffls in Nevada don't give a flying F-. I regularly buy ammo in Reno when I go there for gunshows (I have a coe+ffl03 so bringing it in is legal) but the shops there don't so much as bat an eye when I show them a CA driver's license, if they ask to see it at all.

You are technically correct in that the law does not specifically call out that scenario. But the way the law is written requires an in-state, face-to-face FFL transaction and background check for any non-exempt barrel transfer after July 1st, 2026. Is there a loophole as you've outlined it? I don't know, NALNLA

If you didn't have an FFL-03/COE would you risk importing ammo into California?

You can always find an outlier shop who will not comply with California law, I was speaking in general about the larger, well-known retailers when I spoke of not risking it.

I understand and agree 100% with the spirit of your argument, we all know how misguided and draconian these California laws are, but I don't see much value in rationalizing or arguing the minutia after they have passed. Like all laws, we can choose to follow them or not, but then we accept the consequences. I think it's more productive to fight these laws through the court system, educate non gun owners, donate to CPRA, GOA, etc., engage with our representatives, and vote.