Open AB-1263 - Online sale ban - I changed the title because it was too clickbaity.

[Deleted member 16735]

The Law 3 Guidance Notifications from CADOJ for dealers on new Laws were:
2/4/25
3/4/24
2/2/22
They are not very good at letting us know what to do in a timely fashion. To say they are not going to enforce this before guidance is silly. Ignorance or the law is never a excuse and they will use it to penalize dealers if they want to.

I work in enforcement for the state, not for DOJ so I don't know what they are doing specifically. But there are a bunch of processes in these new bills that require writing regulations AKA "rulemaking" and that process hasn't started yet. The law, AB1263 is the authority, the regulations are the implementation and specific agency processes. For instance this was the process back when prop 63 passed (ammo background checks etc.) https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/ammo-purchase . While the bill text is technically enforceable, the mushier parts haven't really been properly defined and it's just not really done that they would begin enforcement without guidance, bulletins, rulemaking etc. I think we will see some kind of preliminary guidance soon that will happen before rulemaking because that whole process will be long and require public comment. What seems crazy is places just not selling to CA instead of just checking IDs and including an info document with the required information. I think with CZs falling off the roster the must just not see CA as a meaningful market.

 

[BONECUTR]

I work in enforcement for the state, not for DOJ so I don't know what they are doing specifically. But there are a bunch of processes in these new bills that require writing regulations AKA "rulemaking" and that process hasn't started yet. The law, AB1263 is the authority, the regulations are the implementation and specific agency processes. For instance this was the process back when prop 63 passed (ammo background checks etc.) https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/ammo-purchase . While the bill text is technically enforceable, the mushier parts haven't really been properly defined and it's just not really done that they would begin enforcement without guidance, bulletins, rulemaking etc. I think we will see some kind of preliminary guidance soon that will happen before rulemaking because that whole process will be long and require public comment. What seems crazy is places just not selling to CA instead of just checking IDs and including an info document with the required information. I think with CZs falling off the roster the must just not see CA as a meaningful market.

There have been times like with SB880 where there was a message in like december about general compliance but in February they sent out a "revised" update.

Prop 63 is like the barrel law where there is a full 18 months before background checks need to be done but starting 1/1 everyone refused to ship to peoples homes because that's what the law says.

If you read the CRPA thing on 1263 there is even some question on shipping adult signature required through common carriers meets the requirement in the current PC.

 

[Joker67]

Just spoke to my LGS. They can order just about anything I need from their suppliers with the exception of Cajun Gun Works and they may able to set up an account. Stocks, grips, parts kits , triggers etc.

Cajun said you could still send them your pistol for work as long as it was sent from and returned to an FFL.

 

[five.five-six]

Are holsters, mag pouches and gun belts going to need background checks?

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

Are holsters, mag pouches and gun belts going to need background checks?

Why would it? Those are used by Airsofters.
Like most AR parts except barrel.

 

[1911-CV]

Informational Bulletin is out: DOJ Website Link

 

[moreryce]

Informational Bulletin is out: DOJ Website Link

"Other Sellers, Such As Online Retailers"

There's a constant word here... "Retailers", I see nothing about PPT, which I know is purposefully confusing.

So what? When we privately list anything firearms related for sale, we share a notice about the legality of manufacturing guns, we make sure they accept it, we make sure they are atleast 18yrs old by checking their ID (privacy of ID numbers?), ship only to their ID Address, and make sure they are the ones that sign for the package when we ship it..

Honestly, this doesn't make sense for private sellers.

 

[cali_jazz]

Are holsters, mag pouches and gun belts going to need background checks?

No and neither will accessories, parts, or tools. You're confusing AB1263 with SB704 (barrel bill). (understandable because they overlap)

The only thing requiring a background check is a barrel STARTING JULY 1st 2027.

Barrels or anything containing a barrel (IE uppers) must be transferred via an FFL starting January 1st, 2026. This included private party sales of barrels

Everything else sold by "Firearms Industry Members" will require ID check, age verification (18+), written warning acknowledgement, shipping to address on ID only, signature required for shipped packages.

California Penal Code § 33700(a)(1) mandates that firearm barrel transactions must be completed in person by a licensed firearms dealer. Penal Code § 33700(a)(3) prohibits the possession or offering for sale of a firearm barrel in violation of this section, effectively barring direct individual sales without a dealer. Penal Code § 33700(a)(2), effective July 1, 2027, adds an eligibility check requirement to dealer transfers. While some estate transfers are initially exempt, Penal Code § 33700(g)(6) requires subsequent sales to a third party (excluding law enforcement or dealers) to go through a licensed firearms dealer.

 

[five.five-six]

Informational Bulletin is out: DOJ Website Link

George Orwell is turning in his grave. “1984” was an admonition, not a game plan.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

No and neither will accessories, parts, or tools. You're confusing AB1263 with SB704 (barrel bill). (understandable because they overlap)

The only thing requiring a background check is a barrel STARTING JULY 1st 2027.

Barrels or anything containing a barrel (IE uppers) must be transferred via an FFL starting January 1st, 2026. This included private party sales of barrels

Everything else sold by "Firearms Industry Members" will require ID check, age verification (18+), written warning acknowledgement, shipping to address on ID only, signature required for shipped packages.

California Penal Code § 33700(a)(1) mandates that firearm barrel transactions must be completed in person by a licensed firearms dealer. Penal Code § 33700(a)(3) prohibits the possession or offering for sale of a firearm barrel in violation of this section, effectively barring direct individual sales without a dealer. Penal Code § 33700(a)(2), effective July 1, 2027, adds an eligibility check requirement to dealer transfers. While some estate transfers are initially exempt, Penal Code § 33700(g)(6) requires subsequent sales to a third party (excluding law enforcement or dealers) to go through a licensed firearms dealer.

I noticed in the barrel bill, they wrote federal firearms licensee as exempt but also 03/coe as exempt for c&r barrel….wouldn’t 03 ffl be a federal firearms licensee since they didn’t state specifically which one. In the parts bill they wrote specially dealer, ammo vendor, or importer license as an exemption.

Also, how is this going to affect those who send out their slides out of state for optic cuts and barrels for re-coating? They arnt selling the parts or barrels to us…..we sent it to them in the first place

 

[cali_jazz]

I noticed in the barrel bill, they wrote federal firearms licensee as exempt but also 03/coe as exempt for c&r barrel….wouldn’t 03 ffl be a federal firearms licensee since they didn’t state specifically which one. In the parts bill they wrote specially dealer, ammo vendor, or importer license as an exemption.

Also, how is this going to affect those who send out their slides out of state for optic cuts and barrels for re-coating? They arnt selling the parts or barrels to us…..we sent it to them in the first place

Yes FFL-03's are technically federal firearms licensees. However, under SB704, their status as "licensees" does not grant them the same authority as "licensed firearms dealers" to facilitate barrel transfers. FFL-03's are not authorized to transact firearms sales for others, only themselves.

To your second question, standalone barrel is governed by 704 and would need to be shipped back to an FFL. But a barrel attached or affixed to a firearm is not subject to the new transfer and background check requirements according to the bill. Ostensibly sending the entire gun would allow it to be returned directly to you.

NALNLA

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Yes FFL-03's are technically federal firearms licensees. However, under SB704, their status as "licensees" does not grant them the same authority as "licensed firearms dealers" to facilitate barrel transfers. FFL-03's are not authorized to transact firearms sales for others, only themselves.

To your second question, standalone barrel is governed by 704 and would need to be shipped back to an FFL. But a barrel attached or affixed to a firearm is not subject to the new transfer and background check requirements according to the bill. Ostensibly sending the entire gun would allow it to be returned directly to you.

NALNLA

So, does that mean 03’s can have barrels shipped directly to them; for themselves?

 

[cali_jazz]

For Curio & Relic barrels, yes.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

For Curio & Relic barrels, yes.

What? It says right there exempt, sales or transfers to a federal firearms licensee.

It doesn’t say if it’s a curio and relic barrel or not; so wouldn’t that be an 03 buying or transferring non-curio & relic barrels for themselves since it would be a sale or transfer to a Federal Firearms Licensee?Then there is a portion for specifically curio and relic barrels too.

 

[Joker67]

I noticed in the barrel bill, they wrote federal firearms licensee as exempt but also 03/coe as exempt for c&r barrel….wouldn’t 03 ffl be a federal firearms licensee since they didn’t state specifically which one. In the parts bill they wrote specially dealer, ammo vendor, or importer license as an exemption.

Also, how is this going to affect those who send out their slides out of state for optic cuts and barrels for re-coating? They arnt selling the parts or barrels to us…..we sent it to them in the first place

I don’t think it matters. FWIW, I’ve always mailed guns through my FFL just for the peace of mind of it not being taken by porch pirates . I’m sending a pistol out to Cajun Gun Works. No issues.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I don’t think it matters. FWIW, I’ve always mailed guns through my FFL just for the peace of mind of it not being taken by porch pirates . I’m sending a pistol out to Cajun Gun Works. No issues.

For me, for warranty, if the manufacturer doesn’t require sending the guns back to ffl, I would rather have them ship it back direct so I don’t need to pay my ffl $150 to ship to and from. Every time I’ve had guns sent back to me they always require a signature.

However, some guns I will ship through ffl if I bought from them, since they won’t charge me for sending it; and since they are helping me send back to warranty.

I haven't sent guns out for mods though.

One time, aero precision pulled a last minute move on me. They told me they would ship it back to me direct before I sent it to them. I sent them two brand new lowers that had this stuck blast media crud in the pivot pin hole, before sending it back, they sent a email requiring I send it to an ffl. I had to contact the ffl I bought it from, they had me re-dros it (I paid dros), and wait 10 days. They told me if I would have had it sent in through them they wouldn’t have charged me for shipping it out (since I bought it from them) as long as I have a pre-paid label but they also wouldn’t need me to re-dros for pick up.

 

[Joker67]

My FFL charges $25.00. Shop around. Calls me when it comes back. Slide cuts sure, but entire guns, no way am I going to be ok with it on my front step.

 

[millenialshooter83]

Someone from reddit caguns posted a workable solution to the ID verification part that is needed from FFLs. Cross-sharing the website and reddit link below:

CAVerify - Secure ID Verification for AB1263 Compliance

CAVerify provides secure, API-driven ID verification for California AB1263 compliance. Trust us with your verification needs.

caverify.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/1q01wov/im_seeing_so_many_vendors_drop_ca_over_ab1263_so

 

[GunZKK]

I want to know what's gonna happen with eBay because it is technically private to private. I'm gonna miss that the most, it was nice after a long day at work and kids to just browse before bed. But now California has to take that away from me too.

 

[JC8684]

hoping we’ll get some concrete direction for private sales of parts and accessories. i’m not a firearms industry member, just trying to clear off parts for guns i’m selling or previously sold