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Rost Martin R1MF comes to Califnoria

Law Appeals Court Blocks California’s Background Checks for Ammunition Buyers - (7-24-2025)

PSA: While freedom day/week for ammo is on....just ordered some MaxxTech 9mm from Outdoor Limited. Free shipping on orders over $200 and no tax. Wound up to be $0.197 per round for $1500 rounds.
 
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Wolkenflieger said:
One cannot resell ammo with an FFL03, as far as I know.
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Prior to this ruling, an FFL03+COE holder (or anyone) could sell ammo to an FFL03+COE holder. They could also sell to non-licensees, but they would have needed to use an ammunition vendor. If they wanted to sell more than 500 rounds per month, they would have needed an ammunition vendor license, themselves.

If the stay is truly lifted (and a new stay pending en banc appeal isn't put in place), then everybody can sell to everybody else through Face-to-Face transactions. While the constraint on selling no more than 500 rounds without the AV license remains in place, it would seem to be rendered moot by the provisions which appear to have killed AV requirements for transfers.
 
Dvrjon said:
Prior to this ruling, an FFL03+COE holder (or anyone) could sell ammo to an FFL03+COE holder. They could also sell to non-licensees, but they would have needed to use an ammunition vendor. If they wanted to sell more than 500 rounds per month, they would have needed an ammunition vendor license, themselves.

If the stay is truly lifted (and a new stay pending en banc appeal isn't put in place), then everybody can sell to everybody else through Face-to-Face transactions. While the constraint on selling no more than 500 rounds without the AV license remains in place, it would seem to be rendered moot by the provisions which appear to have killed AV requirements for transfers.
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Thanks for the info!
 
Bulletin to FFLs (should be no surprise):
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ugimports said:
Bulletin to FFLs (should be no surprise):
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It’s a tale as old as time. For those of us that have played all these games in CA in the past, this is exactly what to expect. From gun bans based on classification, magazine capacities, rosters, taxes, fee’s, and various other shake downs, we have all seen this movie before.
 
So...............It's unconstitutional but you still have to wait for some bull💩 piece of paper to be sent out from the 9th. Total BS.
 
It appears the shutting down of freedom week has already begun. So about 3 or 4 business days for this year's edition of freedom week.
 
jkody said:
So...............It's unconstitutional but you still have to wait for some bull💩 piece of paper to be sent out from the 9th. Total BS.
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The whole system has been run (RIGGED) this way for decades in CA. None of this should come as a surprise. Those who haven’t been in this game very long will scream “fUuUuuuuuUUUdD!”
 
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Well all my stuff has shipped but I also have my ffl03/coe so no worries. This did work out for me to get some palmetto stuff since prior they wouldn't ship to CA. But I hope it gets upheld so everyone can freely order online without worry.
 
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Did you guys hear what the state did today? Neither did I. Keep ignoring the FUD and order away. Enjoy the freedom while you can. It’s only going to get better from here.

And don’t forget to continue supporting the CRPA, too!
 
Dang I had just ordered some ammo too. Would I have to contact the company to have my order cancelled?
 
Dvrjon said:
Prior to this ruling, an FFL03+COE holder (or anyone) could sell ammo to an FFL03+COE holder. They could also sell to non-licensees, but they would have needed to use an ammunition vendor. If they wanted to sell more than 500 rounds per month, they would have needed an ammunition vendor license, themselves.

If the stay is truly lifted (and a new stay pending en banc appeal isn't put in place), then everybody can sell to everybody else through Face-to-Face transactions. While the constraint on selling no more than 500 rounds without the AV license remains in place, it would seem to be rendered moot by the provisions which appear to have killed AV requirements for transfers.
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This is my understanding as well based on the exception for FFL-03 / COE holders in section (c)(6)

California Code, Penal Code - PEN § 30312
Current as of January 01, 2023 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
(a)(1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.
(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor's own merchandise. If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery,or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(1) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is for exclusive use by that government agency and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee is obtained, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(3) An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6 of Division 6 of this title.
(5) A person whose licensed premises are outside this state and who is licensed as a dealer or collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.
(7) An ammunition vendor.
(8) A consultant-evaluator.
(9) A person who purchases or receives ammunition at a target facility holding a business or other regulatory license, provided that the ammunition is at all times kept within the facility's premises.
(10) A person who purchases or receives ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.
(11) A person enrolled in the basic training academy for peace officers or any other course certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, an instructor of the academy or course, or a staff member of the academy or entity providing the course, who is purchasing the ammunition for the purpose of participation or use in the course.
(d) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

From <https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-30312/>
 
JR9800 said:
Dang I had just ordered some ammo too. Would I have to contact the company to have my order cancelled?
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Things could be different this time around but based on the previous “Ammo Freedom Week” which had very similar circumstances, majority of retailers shipped orders out as long as it was placed before the “Stay”……. there were a few folks that received an email from the online store that they had placed the order from saying that they are unable to ship due to the “Stay” despite placing the order prior to but I think that’s more of the retailers decision…..again things could be different this time around, but I guess we’ll find out so stay tuned 🤙🏽 Ya’ll be safe as always 🙏🏽
 
Hit Factor said:
No. You ordered it legally. The same thing happened during Freedom Week with magazines. Most retailers continued to ship well after the stay was issued, as long as the purchase was made before the injunction was stayed. People seem to forget the first injunction in Rhode v. Bonta as well. A LOT of ammo was ordered before the stay pending appeal was issued, and most retailers shipped out all of that, too. I still still have several cases of 12 gauge trap shells in my garage from that event.
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I guess we'll see if Target Sports and Outdoor Limited ship what I ordered.
 
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