Are micro 9's a trend?

[tomrkba]

It’s all about whats comfortable for the given individual. The micro 9s are popular because in general smaller easier/more comfortable. For a long time i carried a p365 with the XL grip but standard slide. The grip IMO doesnt affect carry comfort and the difference between the short grip and the XL wasnt much vis a vis printing etc. i found the extra 1/2” or whatever in the macro comp to just dig a little more and not that i couldnt get used to it, but didnt feel like i wanted to bother. I have switched to a cc9 just cause (no particular reason) and it’s basically same size and easy to carry in a variety of ways. IWB, pocket whatever just like the p365. I think this is why they are popular. You can stick ‘em all over and figure it out, whereas as things get bigger you gotta do it “one way” and adjust wardrobe etc to that. Which sure makes some sense, but the biggest thing particularly when starting out carrying is can you do it comfortably

This is the problem: prioritization of comfort over effectiveness is just another form of laziness. It leads to inadequate results.

My argument is nothing new and is ignored by the average guntard. “Guntard” just means “A casual user who spends little to no time doing due diligence to ensure proficiency, safety, and correctness of action before, during and after a violent event.”

In other words, they have the “thing”, it’s an anticrime talisman, and they hope it saves them. I see this all the time where friends won’t think about the consequences, handle guns unsafely, don’t maintain their gun, and don’t practice enough to remain competent.

 

[No_glonks]

I was carrying exclusively P-01 for almost two years. Now I have BG2.0, P365x and c3.6 on my permit. I’m grabbing bg2.0 most of the time, but my line of work is different than yours. Also, with as much as my town gets ( well deserved most of the time) our crime rates 25% below national average

 

[Gawernator]

Those newer micro 9's aren't really double stack. They are stack and a half. That was the original P365's innovation and it's what effectively killed the subcompact (G26, P2000SK) category of carry guns. I think these guns are what OP is referring to.

It honestly makes sense to me why it happened too. subcompact carry guns were thick but weren't long enough for pinky support. By the time you put a longer mag or a pinky ledge you were basically at G19 grip size but with a shorter barrel. The stack and a half guns solved the capacity issues from the single stacks while being thinner than double stacks making them lighter and easier to carry comfortably.

Then they released the stack and a half compact sized guns like the G48 / P365 Xmacro / Hellcat Pro which are basically G19 sized guns but thinner. So now you got a thin gun that has enough pinky support without extensions and a longer barrel. The main tradeoff now is that they tend to be a little snappier than double stacks but there are always tradeoffs.


@Gawernator my take on your question is that they aren't actually a trend. They serve a role in the CCW market quite well. I think the bigger question is if the popularity of CCW is what's actually trendy, not the 1.5 stack micros. I personally carry a shield plus as my edc but I don't love shooting it beyond CCW engagement distances. But it does the job it's intended to do quite well.

Is CCW even that popular? It seems like for California it’s less than 1% of the adult population

Maybe it’s just my use case. I don’t really feel any more comfortable with the shield than with my P2000SK except for the weight. I feel like grip length prints a lot more than thickness so I don’t really think they truly conceal that much better. I haven’t had any real life differences doing back to back tests carrying one for a couple weeks then the other. So I have been carrying the PDP compact the most

 

[Gryff]

I carry the smallest gun I can shoot competently. I don't need to make a tacticool statement with my carry gun, and I see no reason to generally carry anything larger than the minimum size. I want to forget that I'm wearing a gun as I go through my day. There are times where I am going somewhere that is more dangerous that is normal in my suburban life, so I will up-scale slightly, but I'm right back to my original-model P365 as soon as possible.

 

[Gawernator]

I carry the smallest gun I can shoot competently. I don't need to make a tacticool statement with my carry gun, and I see no reason to generally carry anything larger than the minimum size. I want to forget that I'm wearing a gun as I go through my day. There are times where I am going somewhere that is more dangerous that is normal in my suburban life, so I will up-scale slightly, but I'm right back to my original-model P365 as soon as possible.

Tacticool statement?

 

[RustVendor]

I used to carry a shield plus which is a great gun but I do have XL hands and while I could shoot it well there was just no room for my support hand and I was basically just crushing my fingers with my support hand instead of making contact with the grip. I found carrying my full size M&P was not that much different, most of the bulk is in the holster. I picked up an echelon compact because I felt like I should have a compact to carry because that's "what you are supposed to do" and I discovered that the actual difference in the overall height is like 1/4". This picture isn't the best but you can at least see it's pretty close. I still haven't put the Echelon on my permit because it's like 180 bucks in my county, and I'm still on the fence if I care. Even the fact that the M&P is 5" is pretty meaningless because carrying appendix, that extra inch is just down my pants and doesn't seem to make a difference. The only real difference is 3 oz. I also have a full size competition optic on, also seems to not matter as my belts sticks out more than the optic. It had the defender XL and I just put on a 407 comp.

 

[Gawernator]

I used to carry a shield plus which is a great gun but I do have XL hands and while I could shoot it well there was just no room for my support hand and I was basically just crushing my fingers with my support hand instead of making contact with the grip. I found carrying my full size M&P was not that much different, most of the bulk is in the holster. I picked up an echelon compact because I felt like I should have a compact to carry because that's "what you are supposed to do" and I discovered that the actual difference in the overall height is like 1/4". This picture isn't the best but you can at least see it's pretty close. I still haven't put the Echelon on my permit because it's like 180 bucks in my county, and I'm still on the fence if I care. Even the fact that the M&P is 5" is pretty meaningless because carrying appendix, that extra inch is just down my pants and doesn't seem to make a difference. The only real difference is 3 oz. I also have a full size competition optic on, also seems to not matter as my belts sticks out more than the optic. It had the defender XL and I just put on a 407 comp.


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Yeah after the fees in Sacramento county and paying the instructor it was at least $180 to modify my CCW lol extremely gay

 

[RustVendor]

Yeah after the fees in Sacramento county and paying the instructor it was at least $180 to modify my CCW lol extremely gay

do they give you a new card? what justifies the cost? obviously nothing actually justifies the cost but I'm curious how they "justify" it

 

[Gawernator]

do they give you a new card? what justifies the cost? obviously nothing actually justifies the cost but I'm curious how they "justify" it

Guy presses a button on the keyboard and you get a new card. But what does that cost them, $0.50?

It’s a money maker. All they did was add two guns to my CCW

 

[RustVendor]

Guy presses a button on the keyboard and you get a new card. But what does that cost them, $0.50?

It’s a money maker. All they did was add two guns to my CCW

Sac Sherriff is super irritating, I got a fix it ticket on my old truck that needed smog but it was parked on the street. I got it all fixed and smogged it but then the registration from DMV took two weeks for them to send and then no joke USPS lost it, like it showed up in my delivery summary thing and was never delivered. So I go and pay for a duplicate registration, go to the sheriff office and they sign the ticket but only barely because I was supposed to bring the truck in so they can verify it. But the lady said she was retiring next month so she didn't care. Meanwhile I keep having to call every week and get an extension on the fix it ticket but they won't give me more than 1 week at a time. According to the ticket and the paperwork they sent me, the only way to clear the fix it ticket is to mail it to Los Angeles so I do that with two days left before the deadline. They of course didn't receive it on time and then they are like, well why didn't you bring it into the office? Like I just got this thing signed at the office, why didn't you take the ticket? It doesn't say anywhere that you can take it into the office it says to mail it. I still don't know if it's been cleared or not I don't even want to look. Most likely they will send me a big fine.

 

[jayson_b24]

...that extra inch is just down my pants and doesn't seem to make a difference.

Yeah, some of us are just blessed enough where an additional inch won't make much of a difference, in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Gawernator]

And some need every inch they can get!

 

[RustVendor]

Yeah, some of us are just blessed enough where an additional inch won't make much of a difference, in the grand scheme of things.

No joke, the 4 inch barrel points at the balls, the 5 inch rests alongside. Do they make 6" m&p slides? I want to be fully past it

 

[jayson_b24]

And some need every inch they can get!

Sucks to suck.

 

[aema15]

Hopefully not a trend for me and something I'll stick to long term.

I've found that for my body type/frame, a certain minimum amount of grip length and width (ie. Compact size) starts making it annoying for me to conceal (I mostly wear athletic shorts and t shirts throughout the year). At that point, concealing my full size PDP is only a marginal amount of additional effort relative to my G19, so I'd rather just carry the PDP.

For times that I want minimal concealment effort, I'll go with Shield X. Grip length is similar to my G19, but the thinness makes it disappear on me regardless of how I dress, so it offers me that flexibility. Do I like shooting it as much as my other two? No, but I'll trade some positive shooting experience for easier concealment, especially when it gets as hot as it does in CA.

So like how all G19's end up, it's an okay do-it-all gun, but it really doesn't do anything super well for me. Training/shooting experience is fine I guess, concealment takes some nontrivial effort on my part, etc. Hence I'm settling on two primary guns (full size and micro) rather than just one.

 

[M_N04H]

every inch counts

 

[lopez1171]

every inch counts

 

[rodralig]

That’s one of the nice things about having both a Glock 19 and 26 in my EDC rotation. The manual of arms is the same, and the main differences are really just the shorter grip and slide on the 26.

For me, shootability between the two is pretty comparable. Aside from losing the pinky perch on the 26, my actual grasp feels more or less the same because the grip width is essentially the same. I can still get a solid hold on the gun without it feeling awkward.

In a stress scenario, I don’t think there would be any meaningful unfamiliarity between the two. For longer shooting sessions or an all-day class, though, the 26 probably won’t be as comfortable as the 19.

BTW, I usually wear the 26 on weekdays with business casual, and the 19 on pretty much any other day.


PS: Form-factor-wise, the 26 is more of a subcompact than a true micro-9, mainly because of that thicker double-stack grip.

 

[Gawernator]

That’s one of the nice things about having both a Glock 19 and 26 in my EDC rotation. The manual of arms is the same, and the main differences are really just the shorter grip and slide on the 26.

For me, shootability between the two is pretty comparable. Aside from losing the pinky perch on the 26, my actual grasp feels more or less the same because the grip width is essentially the same. I can still get a solid hold on the gun without it feeling awkward.

In a stress scenario, I don’t think there would be any meaningful unfamiliarity between the two. For longer shooting sessions or an all-day class, though, the 26 probably won’t be as comfortable as the 19.

BTW, I usually wear the 26 on weekdays with business casual, and the 19 on pretty much any other day.


PS: Form-factor-wise, the 26 is more of a subcompact than a true micro-9, mainly because of that thicker double-stack grip.

G26 / P2000SK are the classic subcompact

 

[No_glonks]

My order finally came to the shop and I dros’d echelon compact today.
I shot all three guns on my permit today bg2.0, c3.6 and p365x. I honestly enjoyed p365x the least.
Curious, if our renewal $826, how much I’ll get charged for amendment