CCW while using Waymo or Uber

[Jimi Jah]

Like most things, don't ask, don't tell. Go about your business discretely.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Like most things, don't ask, don't tell. Go about your business discretely.

Ok Bill Clinton. No, I do not like cigars; why do you ask?

 

[Calibreeze]

Who’s going to know?! F them!

Right!!

 

[Gawernator]

This is where it gets slippery. Is a rental car “yours” therefore you expect privacy? Is. Leased car “yours” since technically you do not own it.

What happens when Waymo doesn’t say that, but scans you for your pockets and luggage.

Yes you have some privacy in your vehicle but anything visible from the outside is fair game

 

[RustVendor]

This is where it gets slippery. Is a rental car “yours” therefore you expect privacy? Is. Leased car “yours” since technically you do not own it.

What happens when Waymo doesn’t say that, but scans you for your pockets and luggage.

interestingly rental cars have protections under state law, this stemmed from rental car companies tracking customers and slamming them with extra fees but the way it's worded it sounds like they wouldn't be able to use surveillance to restrict you from transporting a gun. I don't think this applies at all to cabs and rideshares though.

a) A rental company shall not use, access, or obtain any information relating to the renter's use of the rental vehicle that was obtained using electronic surveillance technology....

California Code, Civil Code - CIV § 1939.23 | FindLaw

California Civil Code CIV CA CIVIL Section 1939.23. Read the code on FindLaw

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[QQQQQ]

This post reminded me of a uber driver from memory maybe almost 60 yrs old that was killed in a gas station parked in front of the store.

I think they called the guy with someones stolen phone to car jack his car.

I’m not sure how many drivers have been killed it’s pretty rare. I also remember a lady driver was killed as well but I think on the east coast.

 

[HarleyLowRiderST]

Boy, some of these responses make me realize how we got to this point when it comes to our rights.

Private property rights matter. So do individual rights. One doesn't automatically make the other irrelevant.

If the response to every question about surveillance and private enforcement is simply “yeah, but the guy was doing something illegal,” you're missing the underlying issue. The outcome of this particular incident doesn't answer the broader question about the mechanism being used.

That's how rights can disappear incrementally: every new restriction seems acceptable because there's always a bad enough circumstance to justify it.

^^^ EXACTLY ^^^
This is how we end up with an erosion of our rights and an escalation of regulations not only for firearms, but many things in our daily lives. At some point very soon, tech will have the ability to scan, listen, video every aspect of our lives, and what they do with that data should matter to us.

I also find it interesting that many of these discussions that take sides based on age. Us "Boomers" as you "Youts" like to say, have seen then rights erode since we were you.

 

[RustVendor]

^^^ EXACTLY ^^^
This is how we end up with an erosion of our rights and an escalation of regulations not only for firearms, but many things in our daily lives. At some point very soon, tech will have the ability to scan, listen, video every aspect of our lives, and what they do with that data should matter to us.

I also find it interesting that many of these discussions that take sides based on age. Us "Boomers" as you "Youts" like to say, have seen then rights erode since we were you.

I do think that the Flock etc surveillance of public activity is problematic because it's not just recording people but creating a database of your activities. I don't see the waymo thing any different than a human driver doing the same thing though, you are in someone else's private property and subject to their discretion to a degree. I'm actually curious if there is a legal remedy because it almost sounds like from the way that Lopez was written that it's a fundamental right of property owners to set their own criteria for allowing or disallowing weapons. But I wonder if there could be a law similar to the "protected classes" that would have protections for CCW holders on private property at least in business that serve the public.

 

[Gawernator]

^^^ EXACTLY ^^^
This is how we end up with an erosion of our rights and an escalation of regulations not only for firearms, but many things in our daily lives. At some point very soon, tech will have the ability to scan, listen, video every aspect of our lives, and what they do with that data should matter to us.

I also find it interesting that many of these discussions that take sides based on age. Us "Boomers" as you "Youts" like to say, have seen then rights erode since we were you.

Boomers and Gen X directly eroded most of the rights you’re thinking of. It wasn’t Gen Z that did the patriot act or the gun control act or 90’s AWB etc lmao

 

[NorCalBusa]

Yes you have some privacy in your vehicle but anything visible from the outside is fair game

I agree, plain view. Where I start to arch an eyebrow is when while outside the car/truck/van- a LEO lights the interior with his flashlight. That ain't no version of "plain view" any more than sticking a mirror in the top of a side window and using that looks around via the mirror. "Plain" means well; plain, unassisted whether its what you see of the flavor of a vanila ice cream cone.

 

[Trukinbear]

Nobody is ever going to know unless you literally flash the gun around. Worst case you get banned from the platform. But dude there's illegal immigrants with felonies driving around for Uber, you really think they give a f**k?

Entirely untrue, I've been driving for Uber for 7 years, and you cannot drive without being a legal citizen, and pass a quite intensive background check 12 times a year.

 

[Gawernator]

Entirely untrue, I've been driving for Uber for 7 years, and you cannot drive without being a legal citizen, and pass a quite intensive background check 12 times a year.

You’re joking right? It’s all over the news in Sacramento a uber / DoorDash driver illegal from India just murdered a woman here. Executed her at gunpoint. They absolutely can do it

 

[Trukinbear]

You’re joking right? It’s all over the news in Sacramento a uber / DoorDash driver illegal from India just murdered a woman here. Executed her at gunpoint. They absolutely can do it

Doordash perhaps, but Uber made me prove I was a citizen, and was over 5 years since I'd had any sort of ticket. It's very difficult to drive for Uber. What illegal alien has a 2 year old car? 90% of applicants aren't approved. I also drive for Lyft with pretty much the same qualifications.

 

[NorCalBusa]

Doordash perhaps, but Uber made me prove I was a citizen, and was over 5 years since I'd had any sort of ticket. It's very difficult to drive for Uber. What illegal alien has a 2 year old car? 90% of applicants aren't approved. I also drive for Lyft with pretty much the same qualifications.

Does driving for either really work out financially? You'd have to factor the cost of fuel/energy of course, but add wear/tear/maintenance/depreciation and it must cost close to $0.80 a mile just to get in and start the damn car.

 

[Gawernator]

Doordash perhaps, but Uber made me prove I was a citizen, and was over 5 years since I'd had any sort of ticket. It's very difficult to drive for Uber. What illegal alien has a 2 year old car? 90% of applicants aren't approved. I also drive for Lyft with pretty much the same qualifications.

Maybe it’s just DoorDash and uber eats then. But they find ways to fraud the system

 

[Trukinbear]

Does driving for either really work out financially? You'd have to factor the cost of fuel/energy of course, but add wear/tear/maintenance/depreciation and it must cost close to $0.80 a mile just to get in and start the damn car.

I drive an Ionic6 that is usually charged by the solar panels on my garage (which have been paid off for 18 years) for nothing, but if I have to use a commercial charger I pay 30¢ per KwH... Which gets me 5.5 to 5.8 miles....Just a tick over 5¢ per mile. Next question?

 

[Trukinbear]

Maybe it’s just DoorDash and uber eats then. But they find ways to fraud the system

Uber does random facial recognition at least twice per day.

 

[Trukinbear]

We're very rural, and remote. I assume all my passengers are armed - I sure am.

 

[Gawernator]

Uber does random facial recognition at least twice per day.

I’ve heard of that and somehow they bypass it or cheese it according to Reddit

 

[elemental]

Boomers and Gen X directly eroded most of the rights you’re thinking of. It wasn’t Gen Z that did the patriot act or the gun control act or 90’s AWB etc lmao

You might want to recheck the number there. Even today the Senate is 60% Boomers. The House is 30% Boomers and 42% GenX, but that’s today. If you roll back to the 90’s the older GenX are in their mid-20’s maybe 30. If I had to pick a generation that had control for the longest time it would be the Silent Generation. If you removed the arbitrary lines imposed on the generations you might fine Bill, George and Donald could fall into either Silent or Boomers and Joe was a Silent. Only Barack is a clear Boomer. There have been zero GenX presidents.