Question Diesel Shortage looks imminent.. What are you stocking up on?

[decius_mus]

Some companies such as Frito-Lay have already purchased Tesla semitrucks for their fleet. They're still few in number but they're long range (up to 500 miles) and with center-seating for the driver like a McLaren F1.

They'll probably drive themselves at some point like any other Tesla with FSD. These trucks don't use gas or diesel as they're all electric. Tesla is still building out the charging infrastructure for these trucks like they did for their cars, though with cars most owners charge at home for daily use.
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For sure. this is why my household transportation is split between a truck and a tesla. The truck does truck things, the tesla does daily driving and acts as insulation against gasoline prices since electricity prices are relatively stable. It's also cheap to charge at superchargers between midnight and 8:00am if home charging isn't possible for people living in apartments.

 

[Gawernator]

For sure. this is why my household transportation is split between a truck and a tesla. The truck does truck things, the tesla does daily driving and acts as insulation against gasoline prices since electricity prices are relatively stable. It's also cheap to charge at superchargers between midnight and 8:00am if home charging isn't possible for people living in apartments.

My dad just bought a Cyberbeast. All in one plus racecar performance lol. Unbelievably fast

 

[Wolkenflieger]

My dad just bought a Cyberbeast. All in one plus racecar performance lol. Unbelievably fast

If I needed a truck more often I'd buy one, but my M3P is paid-off. I rented the long-range Cybertruck from Turo (wrapped in black as shown) for two days and it's a marvel with the adjustable height, steer-by-wire, 0-60 in 4 seconds, and four-wheel steering. The auto open/close frunk is a great place to store cased firearms, and the locking tonneau cover is so much better than an open bed.

 

[Nomad]

When it comes to trucks, I’ll stick to my Ram, hard to beat the versatility. We have a Model Y as well, and the self driving feature can’t be beat for commuting in LA traffic.

 

[irongunner]

My dad just bought a Cyberbeast. All in one plus racecar performance lol. Unbelievably fast

To my knowledge the newer Nissan GTR is the only fat ass 'Torta' that deserves the title of performance. Even the heavy Bugatti recognizes they are for top end speed not cornering precision. Teslas may be viable or popular in your drag circles but I have yet to see them corner or even brake with decent results. Maybe when Elon figures out the lateral thruster system I'll consider them closer to a race car. We'd be very well off if Tesla drivers (aka the new age BMW driver) could be as intelligent as their cars and maybe even use their signal - sadly we are not even remotely close. I appreciate Tesla's attempt at automated driving though.

To be on topic, not everyone is able to afford a solar array paired with complicated formula batteries. Personally I'd rather follow Bob Lazar if I had the chance with a solar array and consistent water supply for hydrogen fuel production. Splitting hydrogen and trying to address hydrogen embrittlement seems like a better long term solution than mining for the rare elements. Hydrogen embrittlement is a troublesome hurdle to overcome but I think the juice is worth the squeeze.

 

[miles888]

Clearly. We can argue how much left of liberal democracy in US and Europe......
But we can't argue that it lost any forward momentum it had in early 1990s

The whole point of his philosophy was people are going to end up struggling with ideas they made up themselves that actually aren’t important, because they’re bored, then point to world events to try and contradict the reality that the system we use is the best thing for us.

Liberal democracy is capitalism. Not like “liberals” they’re more like a group of lonely people who don’t want to die alone so they go with whatever the group thinks to try to avoid that, and overcompensate for a lack of personal liberty(because they’re losers who can do or make anything of inherent value=useless in a capitalist structure) by “protecting the liberties of the downtrodden” for sport.

 

[Gawernator]

To my knowledge the newer Nissan GTR is the only fat ass 'Torta' that deserves the title of performance. Even the heavy Bugatti recognizes they are for top end speed not cornering precision. Teslas may be viable or popular in your drag circles but I have yet to see them corner or even brake with decent results. Maybe when Elon figures out the lateral thruster system I'll consider them closer to a race car. We'd be very well off if Tesla drivers (aka the new age BMW driver) could be as intelligent as their cars and maybe even use their signal - sadly we are not even remotely close. I appreciate Tesla's attempt at automated driving though.

To be on topic, not everyone is able to afford a solar array paired with complicated formula batteries. Personally I'd rather follow Bob Lazar if I had the chance with a solar array and consistent water supply for hydrogen fuel production. Splitting hydrogen and trying to address hydrogen embrittlement seems like a better long term solution than mining for the rare elements. Hydrogen embrittlement is a troublesome hurdle to overcome but I think the juice is worth the squeeze.

I've never drag raced so idk what you mean. Is Laguna Seca circuit a drag strip now? How fast are you expecting to go on public streets? It's faster than you will ever be able to drive and it's a fking truck. Nissan GTR is a POS compared to that. No more oil changes, spark plugs, detonation, carbon build up, coolant changes, sensor failures, timing belt swaps etc etc

I get not everyone will be able to afford a 1000 ft lbs torque monster truck like that but man is it sick. Not sure what the batteries cost but my dad installed all of the solar and batteries himself so I don't think it cost too much. Perks of being a nuclear electrician

 

[jclusin]

I think these things run on treats

The horse on the right is named gunner, appropriate for this forum.

Kidding aside, I think goods and services will get more expensive in the US, but I don't think we'll see barren shelves at the grocery store or 1970s level fuel rationing.

 

[NorCalBusa]

I am pretty sure it was way before that.....like mid 2000

I bought my F250 crew cab 6.0 diesel in '07, so for sure prices went up 15.271 minutes after I drove off the lot.

 

[NorCalBusa]

Some companies such as Frito-Lay have already purchased Tesla semitrucks for their fleet. They're still few in number but they're long range (up to 500 miles) and with center-seating for the driver like a McLaren F1.

They'll probably drive themselves at some point like any other Tesla with FSD. These trucks don't use gas or diesel as they're all electric. Tesla is still building out the charging infrastructure for these trucks like they did for their cars, though with cars most owners charge at home for daily use.
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Don't let the purty truck fool you. The Moss Landing Power Plant on Monterey Bay, caught its battery farm on fire in Jan 2025. Fast forward to this morning- they did it again. Lithium & people still don't mix.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

Don't let the purty truck fool you. The Moss Landing Power Plant on Monterey Bay, caught its battery farm on fire in Jan 2025. Fast forward to this morning- they did it again. Lithium & people still don't mix.
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Funny, cell phones seem to have caught-on nicely.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

To my knowledge the newer Nissan GTR is the only fat ass 'Torta' that deserves the title of performance. Even the heavy Bugatti recognizes they are for top end speed not cornering precision. Teslas may be viable or popular in your drag circles but I have yet to see them corner or even brake with decent results. Maybe when Elon figures out the lateral thruster system I'll consider them closer to a race car. We'd be very well off if Tesla drivers (aka the new age BMW driver) could be as intelligent as their cars and maybe even use their signal - sadly we are not even remotely close. I appreciate Tesla's attempt at automated driving though.

To be on topic, not everyone is able to afford a solar array paired with complicated formula batteries. Personally I'd rather follow Bob Lazar if I had the chance with a solar array and consistent water supply for hydrogen fuel production. Splitting hydrogen and trying to address hydrogen embrittlement seems like a better long term solution than mining for the rare elements. Hydrogen embrittlement is a troublesome hurdle to overcome but I think the juice is worth the squeeze.

"The overall Pikes Peak International Hill Climb record is held by the Volkswagen I.D. R electric prototype, driven by Romain Dumas in a time of 7 minutes and 57.148 seconds."

Note: Electric vehicle, hill climb, lots of turns.

 

[irongunner]

Is Laguna Seca circuit a drag strip now? How fast are you expecting to go on public streets? It's faster than you will ever be able to drive and it's a fking truck. Nissan GTR is a POS compared to that. No more oil changes, spark plugs, detonation, carbon build up, coolant changes, sensor failures, timing belt swaps etc etc

Not a drag strip, but if the new resident have their way they'll turn it into a strip mall.

Since we're comparing to racecars and real performance, city streets aren't the appropriate place. But if I did want to go fast on city streets, I'd go fast enough to risk jail but not public health. I'll accept your driving challenge if you and your dad every make it up to Sonoma Raceway. I'll belittle my dad to bring his dirty Jag. I'm biased and prefer nimble canyon carvers over living my life a quarter mile at a time.

 

[irongunner]

"The overall Pikes Peak International Hill Climb record is held by the Volkswagen I.D. R electric prototype, driven by Romain Dumas in a time of 7 minutes and 57.148 seconds."

Note: Electric vehicle, hill climb, lots of turns.

Yes, we can find additional examples with Formula E, Dakar, Rally, etc. Pikes Peak although intense and admirable shakes out to be more of a time attack. My love for Pikes Peak makes me shudder to type that out but by comparison it is hard for me to see otherwise. Unfortunately, with Pikes Peak specifically, sometimes the meteorologist is as important to the race time as the driver or engineer. Volkswagen put out an amazing run but also invested enough to cover every other teams budget for the year.

It still stands that BEVs do not last in extreme weather reliably or can go the same distance on a "single fill up". Anytime distance is involved with BEV the power plants become hybrid or the energy units get completely replaced at a pit station. That being said, a BEV power plant is exception for its use case. I'd love to keep the electric Telsa propulsion but have those suckers run on hydrogen cell rather than any battery concoction.

 

[Gawernator]

Not a drag strip, but if the new resident have their way they'll turn it into a strip mall.

Since we're comparing to racecars and real performance, city streets aren't the appropriate place. But if I did want to go fast on city streets, I'd go fast enough to risk jail but not public health. I'll accept your driving challenge if you and your dad every make it up to Sonoma Raceway. I'll belittle my dad to bring his dirty Jag. I'm biased and prefer nimble canyon carvers over living my life a quarter mile at a time.

French superbike champion Valentin Debise and me at Thunderhill lol I’ll take that challenge any day

 

[Nomad]

French superbike champion Valentin Debise and me at Thunderhill lol I’ll take that challenge any day

NIce! Rookie year I see.

 

[NorCALSpeed]

Cash.

Sadly getting devalued by the week but it's good to have some on hand for sure.

Stable/ staple food items that might go up but mostly I'm just cutting back on luxuries. Gun-wise I might buy 1000 rounds of 124 match ammo to use in competitions.

Can't wait till all the tariff/DOGE/election "incentive" checks arrive (1. Sarcasm. 2. That would cost us so much that they might be inflationary and thus devalue the very dollars were are handed).

 

[decius_mus]

Yes, we can find additional examples with Formula E, Dakar, Rally, etc. Pikes Peak although intense and admirable shakes out to be more of a time attack. My love for Pikes Peak makes me shudder to type that out but by comparison it is hard for me to see otherwise. Unfortunately, with Pikes Peak specifically, sometimes the meteorologist is as important to the race time as the driver or engineer. Volkswagen put out an amazing run but also invested enough to cover every other teams budget for the year.

It still stands that BEVs do not last in extreme weather reliably or can go the same distance on a "single fill up". Anytime distance is involved with BEV the power plants become hybrid or the energy units get completely replaced at a pit station. That being said, a BEV power plant is exception for its use case. I'd love to keep the electric Telsa propulsion but have those suckers run on hydrogen cell rather than any battery concoction.

Why hydrogen cell? That tech is a dead end. If the idea is fast refueling then the answer is to simply improve charging curves to the point where rapid refueling for race cars (where longevity doesn't matter) takes about the same amount of time as refilling gasoline.

You're also moving the goal posts btw. Earlier you said that you've yet to see EVs corner or brake with decent results. I would argue that cornering and braking with decent results is necessary to successfully complete a time attack.

Furthermore, Jason Camissa would disagree with your assessment as well

 

[Jimi Jah]

Nothing. I have everything I would ever want or need plus a lifetime worth of ammo.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

Yes, we can find additional examples with Formula E, Dakar, Rally, etc. Pikes Peak although intense and admirable shakes out to be more of a time attack. My love for Pikes Peak makes me shudder to type that out but by comparison it is hard for me to see otherwise. Unfortunately, with Pikes Peak specifically, sometimes the meteorologist is as important to the race time as the driver or engineer. Volkswagen put out an amazing run but also invested enough to cover every other teams budget for the year.

It still stands that BEVs do not last in extreme weather reliably or can go the same distance on a "single fill up". Anytime distance is involved with BEV the power plants become hybrid or the energy units get completely replaced at a pit station. That being said, a BEV power plant is exception for its use case. I'd love to keep the electric Telsa propulsion but have those suckers run on hydrogen cell rather than any battery concoction.

EVs are extremely popular in Norway where it's quite cold. With proper battery hygiene, range is no problem in the cold. Hydrogen is a dead-end for passenger vehicles and the infrastructure and safety would be a nightmare for refueling.

It's hard to beat solar and home-based off-peak charging for EVs.