Explain Single Shot Exemption conversion too me like im 5.

[Dohboy]

Is there a reason you see these mostly/only with 2011s vs a P226 x5, for example? Does it have something to do with the frame? Or is it more of a market driven thing (higher margin on high end guns, or something like that?).

 

[Hit Factor]

Is there a reason you see these mostly/only with 2011s vs a P226 x5, for example? Does it have something to do with the frame? Or is it more of a market driven thing (higher margin on high end guns, or something like that?).

As I understand it, the manufacturer has to build it and ship it in a single shot configuration (see BONECUTR’s second comment in Post #7). A lot of the mass-production companies aren’t willing to set up special production for that, and others probably just don’t want to deal with it.

Personally, I think we should all make a point to support companies that are making special accommodations to support us. For example . . .

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[Nowhereman89]

Is there a reason you see these mostly/only with 2011s vs a P226 x5, for example? Does it have something to do with the frame? Or is it more of a market driven thing (higher margin on high end guns, or something like that?).

Sig is way too big a company to go out of there way to send us anything SSE. Same with Staccato. At least they both give us a few CA roster options now. Atlas is a lot smaller. I would be curious how much they sell in CA through SSE my guess is a surprisingly large amount. Now we have a lot of cool companies like Fusion Firearms, Stealth Arms, Jacob Grey, race city defense, helping us out with SSE options.

To your other point yeah it’s probably not worth it to the manufacturer to SSE a Glock clone.. a lot more worth their energy on a high dollar 2011.

 

[9mmContagion]

They have been doing it for 2011's. Dont tempt fate and buy a SSE gun like that and ever take it anywhere other then the range. Do not put it on your CCW either, thats stupid. You can do a PPT for any gun off roster and then put that on your CCW but not a SSE gun as it wasn't intended to play that way. The SSE can just get you a few options that aren't on the roster list, but they should be used just for enjoyment or safe queens

LOL Let me guess… You’re roster exempt and pushing this agenda in hopes that people pay your inflated prices?

 

[supermike]

on the other hand, if you sold it to a friend and later time your friend don't like it anymore and sold it back to you or someone else, it gets DROS as a regular 9mm semi-auto pistol???

 

[Micmuzzi]

Is there a reason you see these mostly/only with 2011s vs a P226 x5, for example? Does it have something to do with the frame? Or is it more of a market driven thing (higher margin on high end guns, or something like that?).

I have an SSE mac

 

[Dohboy]

Sig is way too big a company to go out of there way to send us anything SSE. Same with Staccato. At least they both give us a few CA roster options now. Atlas is a lot smaller. I would be curious how much they sell in CA through SSE my guess is a surprisingly large amount. Now we have a lot of cool companies like Fusion Firearms, Stealth Arms, Jacob Grey, race city defense, helping us out with SSE options.

To your other point yeah it’s probably not worth it to the manufacturer to SSE a Glock clone.. a lot more worth their energy on a high dollar 2011.

Interesting. So with SSE 2.0 certain manufacturers cooperate to allow this to happen. Missed that part. Appreciate the info.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

on the other hand, if you sold it to a friend and later time your friend don't like it anymore and sold it back to you or someone else, it gets DROS as a regular 9mm semi-auto pistol???

If the ffl policy allows the dros of the firearm in its current configuration. Some ffl’s are not willing to change the OG dros info to it’s current configuration even though it’s a ppt.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

These “warnings” are the type of FUD-based opinion that many people end up taking as fact. If your county allows listing a converted pistol on your CCW permit, then it’s perfectly fine — and legal — to do so. Some counties, however, have requirements that guns can only be added to a CCW permit in the same caliber they were registered in. Since I don’t want to carry a .25 ACP, my Platypus is not listed on my CCW permit.

What if you were able to have the dros info changed to 9mm? Then the new dros would list 9mm…..

 

[BONECUTR]

What if you were able to have the dros info changed to 9mm? Then the new dros would list 9mm…..

Not legal.....The FFL transferred it as a .25acp. Altering that info would be illegal. They can make a correction if they put in the wrong caliber by accident but this is not the scenario you are talking about here.

 

[Nowhereman89]

I have an SSE mac

Very curious who is selling SSE Macs!

 

[9mmContagion]

If the ffl policy allows the dros of the firearm in its current configuration. Some ffl’s are not willing to change the OG dros info to it’s current configuration even though it’s a ppt.

Never had an FFL ask for prior DROS. None of their business. The only time a DROS was provided to prove a pistol lower was originally DROS as a pistol. Done plenty of PPT on previous SSE pistols myself

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Never had an FFL ask for prior DROS. None of their business. The only time a DROS was provided to prove a pistol lower was originally DROS as a pistol. Done plenty of PPT on previous SSE pistols myself

The ones I’ve been to all want to see the original dros just to make sure it’s a pistol; but these were for not traditional handguns that have the magazine well not within the handgrip. Is it the same down that way?

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

LOL Let me guess… You’re roster exempt and pushing this agenda in hopes that people pay your inflated prices?

For me, the little hint that had me assuming was “roster list”……

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Not legal.....The FFL transferred it as a .25acp. Altering that info would be illegal. They can make a correction if they put in the wrong caliber by accident but this is not the scenario you are talking about here.

Not legal during a ppt to change the caliber info? When the person first acquired it was .25 acp; which the ffl needed to do to release as sse. What if the person during the ppt brought it in as a 9mm, if the current configuration is a 9mm semi auto handgun is what you are seeing, wouldn’t the new dros info not be correct then since it is not .25 acp? Logging it in as .25 acp during a ppt, when the caliber is currently 9mm; would be logging it incorrectly, wouldn’t it?

Why would it not be legal as the firearm is just being dros in its current configuration; the firearm, make, model, caliber, and action would all be correct then at that point. Why would the ffl have any wrong doing if they are just logging the information since that is what the firearm currently is, it’s not like that current ffl facilitating the ppt did any converting or mfg. for them; hey, this is how the pistol was presented or brought in to them.

 

[D.A.V.I.D.]

on the other hand, if you sold it to a friend and later time your friend don't like it anymore and sold it back to you or someone else, it gets DROS as a regular 9mm semi-auto pistol???

Just pawn it because you need a quick $500, then they have to dros it back to you.

 

[9mmContagion]

The ones I’ve been to all want to see the original dros just to make sure it’s a pistol; but these were for not traditional handguns that have the magazine well not within the handgrip. Is it the same down that way?

Been to probably 10 different FFLs with pistols that were SSE at some point. Never had one ask.

Not legal during a ppt to change the caliber info? When the person first acquired it was .25 acp; which the ffl needed to do to release as sse. What if the person during the ppt brought it in as a 9mm, if the current configuration is a 9mm semi auto handgun is what you are seeing, wouldn’t the new dros info not be correct then since it is not .25 acp? Logging it in as .25 acp during a ppt, when the caliber is currently 9mm; would be logging it incorrectly, wouldn’t it?

Why would it not be legal as the firearm is just being dros in its current configuration; the firearm, make, model, caliber, and action would all be correct then at that point. Why would the ffl have any wrong doing if they are just logging the information since that is what the firearm currently is, it’s not like that current ffl facilitating the ppt did any converting or mfg. for them; hey, this is how the pistol was presented or brought in to them.

I think he was referring to the original FFL changing DROS paperwork after the pistol was released. Which you can not do.

Just pawn it because you need a quick $500, then they have to dros it back to you.

Exactly!

 

[gorgothmog]

Everybody should just STFU, and enjoy your SSE guns until you can't. Let the FFLs and legal counsel worry about the fine print. The Cal DoJ knows it exists and tolerates it. That's all you should care about.

 

[Magnetic_FoST23]

The FFL will DROS the handgun in its current configuration. I have never been asked for the original DROS. So a previous SSE in it's now semi-auto configuration will be DROSed as a semi-auto.

 

[BONECUTR]

Not legal during a ppt to change the caliber info? When the person first acquired it was .25 acp; which the ffl needed to do to release as sse. What if the person during the ppt brought it in as a 9mm, if the current configuration is a 9mm semi auto handgun is what you are seeing, wouldn’t the new dros info not be correct then since it is not .25 acp? Logging it in as .25 acp during a ppt, when the caliber is currently 9mm; would be logging it incorrectly, wouldn’t it?

Why would it not be legal as the firearm is just being dros in its current configuration; the firearm, make, model, caliber, and action would all be correct then at that point. Why would the ffl have any wrong doing if they are just logging the information since that is what the firearm currently is, it’s not like that current ffl facilitating the ppt did any converting or mfg. for them; hey, this is how the pistol was presented or brought in to them.

This isnt what you originally were talking about.

When a PPT is being done the dealer must do it the way its currently configured. Same for a DROS on a new SSE gun. It must be dros'd as it sits. Dealers are not going to correct that like it you pic up a gun and change the barrel from .40 to 9mm. The dealer is not going to correct that and you might not be able to list it on a CCW since it was DROS'd .40 but is now 9mm. Will depend on you IA