Getting Better at Handgun

[Shellbackitup]

Looks good. Glad you're seeing improvement.

I didn't realize how much dry firing with different guns helped me with accuracy and having consistent finger placement and pull, until I saw the results across the board. Even if you don't bring your CZ out, definitely start dry-fire practice with it.

Dropping the hammer and doing double action on my DA/SA first shot, and shooting double action on my .357 were two other things that helped me as well.

 

[ikeo1]

You seem pretty consistent I wonder if your zero is off.

If you truly lack skills the grouping should be way bigger.

I was thinking the dot is off the groups are stacking so should move up 3 clicks and right 3 and see if they stack

 

[JackRydden224]

I was thinking the dot is off the groups are stacking so should move up 3 clicks and right 3 and see if they stack

Given he's shooting at 7 yards and the dot is 1 MOA per click he'll need about 27 clicks up to the right. This is assuming my eyes aren't playing tricks and he's hitting about 2 inches low to the left.

What I really want to talk about, is using AI to do the math for you. I just started doing this recently and it's been life changing since I can't do math to save my life. use all the tools you can get your hands on.

 

[Seeed]

Given he's shooting at 7 yards and the dot is 1 MOA per click he'll need about 27 clicks up to the right. This is assuming my eyes aren't playing tricks and he's hitting about 2 inches low to the left.

What I really want to talk about, is using AI to do the math for you. I just started doing this recently and it's been life changing since I can't do math to save my life. use all the tools you can get your hands on.

View attachment 257205

I was thinking the dot is off the groups are stacking so should move up 3 clicks and right 3 and see if they stack

I’m gonna grab the EPS Carry anyway this week and swap it. I never adjusted it thinking it was setup right out of the box but perhaps not? Will see how that goes. Will try this on my 22 sig and see if it’s the same. Thanks for the tips!

 

[JackRydden224]

I’m gonna grab the EPS Carry anyway this week and swap it. I never adjusted it thinking it was setup right out of the box but perhaps not? Will see how that goes. Will try this on my 22 sig and see if it’s the same. Thanks for the tips!

Most red dots are gonna get you on paper out of the box but you'll need to dial it in yourself. If you never zeroed it then I think you'll be fine once you actually zero it. Looking for forward to your next range trip and let us know how it goes!

 

[Gawernator]

7 yards. Very slow. Maybe 3 seconds between.

not bad at all mate, you're already better than most I'm sure lol

 

[john_marsten_1873]

you wont get better until you go somehwere to move and shoot

That's not at all true. Dynamics and movement is just another aspect shooting. I strongly advise against it until strong foundations are built.

 

[Seeed]

you wont get better until you go somehwere to move and shoot

That's not at all true. Dynamics and movement is just another aspect shooting. I strongly advise against it until strong foundations are built.

I agree completely. I’m not even close to being comfortable doing move and shoot right now til I get fundamentals down and consistency.

 

[john_marsten_1873]

I agree completely. I’m not even close to being comfortable doing move and shoot right now til I get fundamentals down and consistency.

If you continue training this deliberately it won’t be long before you are. Even then there’s still plenty to gain from the static line.

 

[rodralig]

You can spend hundreds of dollars on a co2 setup. They make a variety of things but I just rack the slide.

CO2 systems are weird. They cycle the gun and give you the opposite of muzzle rise - they create a kick down. There's feedback out there to stay away from them for this reason.

I would strongly recommend against using a CO2 setup for serious training. I’ll be honest - I owned and trained with one myself, so I’m familiar with the drawbacks.

The biggest issue for me is that the recoil impulse and movement are inconsistent and don’t really behave like a firearm under recoil. I’m not talking about the amount of recoil, but how the sights move and return. If you spend a lot of time training with that, you can end up reinforcing the wrong sight-tracking and shot-calling habits.

At speed, your eyes are essentially your odometers, feedback system. You’re learning to see what the sights are doing, call the shot, and react accordingly. If you’re training your visual processing and movement patterns around feedback that doesn’t translate well to the real gun, what are you really gaining?

I think it’s better to isolate the training. Do your dry practice without recoil and work on presentation, trigger control, transitions, and visual discipline. Then save recoil management, sight tracking, and shot calling for live fire at the range.

 

[pancakes]

That's not at all true. Dynamics and movement is just another aspect shooting. I strongly advise against it until strong foundations are built.

Thats like saying to start driving stickshift until you learn to steer properly

 

[pancakes]

I agree completely. I’m not even close to being comfortable doing move and shoot right now til I get fundamentals down and consistency.

Do you do that with everything? Stop and really think about it. Its just shooting people really over think it

 

[john_marsten_1873]

Thats like saying to start driving stickshift until you learn to steer properly

No. It’s more like learn to drive the car before jumping on the freeway.

 

[Seeed]

Do you do that with everything? Stop and really think about it. Its just shooting people really over think it

huh? I don't understand what you're saying here..

 

[HarleyLowRiderST]

p365 x-macro HE507K Green dot - stigmatizm
Bodyguard 2 stock sites - much harder for me

I am finally able to site down though with my primary? eye with both eyes open as of today. Could use some visual improvements on the all black irons though I think. Not sure.

Since your groups are fairly tight, just low and left, your green dot is off. You need to adjust both elevation and windage screws on the optic then you should be dead on!

 

[chiroken007]

Do you do that with everything? Stop and really think about it. Its just shooting people really over think it

Yeah… it’s only using a lethal weapon with little experience for the joy of it. What can go wrong with limited experience using a dangerous tool in an unfamiliar environment.

When I was looking at USPSA they actualy request that you have a minimum volume of experience with the firearms you intend to use prior to action shooting because…

…common sense…

 

[rodralig]

Yeah… it’s only using a lethal weapon with little experience for the joy of it. What can go wrong with limited experience using a dangerous tool in an unfamiliar environment.

When I was looking at USPSA they actualy request that you have a minimum volume of experience with the firearms you intend to use prior to action shooting because…

…common sense…

This - especially the point about having a minimum volume of experience before jumping into run-and-gun competition.

There is a lot happening at once in a match: the Four Rules of Firearm Safety, the 180, range commands, marksmanship fundamentals, movement, stage planning, and then the natural temptation to go faster after watching more experienced shooters. That is a lot to process, especially for a beginner.

I’ve seen newer shooters get into matches before they were really ready. One shooter I saw managed to get two DQs within just a few weeks, and one of them involved a negligent discharge. He was apparently able to talk the RO into letting him continue with the argument, “How am I supposed to learn if you don’t let me make mistakes?” Personally, I would not have agreed with that. There are mistakes you learn from, and then there are serious safety violations that should end the match. An ND is not something that should be normalized as part of the learning process. But I wasn’t the RO.

Here’s my kid at his first match. It was a non-sanctioned charity match benefiting a local police foundation. Before I was comfortable letting him participate, I wanted him to demonstrate an acceptable level of accuracy at a reasonable pace, and more importantly, his safety habits had to be solid.

Speed can come later. Safety needs to be there before the timer ever starts. Say, I would much rather see a new shooter move slowly and deliberately than run a stage quickly with half-hearted trigger discipline.

 

[Gawernator]

Thats like saying to start driving stickshift until you learn to steer properly

Are you an instructor? Google the adult learning model. Adding in higher skills before mastering basic fundamentals is not helpful and will just cause bad habits to form

 

[Gawernator]

Since your groups are fairly tight, just low and left, your green dot is off. You need to adjust both elevation and windage screws on the optic then you should be dead on!

Maybe. Have someone else shoot to verify

 

[Seeed]

Maybe. Have someone else shoot to verify

That’s a good idea