Hate gun roster, hmm how about tire roster?

[magoshands]

they have a cigar roster too

Yep apparently a cigar with flavored tobacco is dangerous for the teens

When was the last time you saw a teen smoke a cigar?

 

[MK6M9]

they don't in state government and government in general because it's all union. Unions don't get merit based raises you just get raises for existing, which is good and bad obviously. But if they work for the county they absolutely do not get "merit" based raises, it's all according to the pay schedule https://file.lacounty.gov/SDSInter/lac/1043266_alpha.pdf

was not something just passed last year for california's politicians to increase their salaries? i could have sworn that just happened last year

 

[MK6M9]

What I don't understand is what do people think they will be missing?

freedom

 

[MK6M9]

Consumers in general are pretty stupid honestly, just look at all the reactionaries in this thread who won't even read the rules but keep posting about how it does this or that. They have every opportunity to make a meaningful argument based in reality but instead choose to just talk . I should know better than to expect a thoughtful conversation here but I like to suffer

you are a consumer, correct? yes, of course you are. every human is.
pretending that no one made a meaningful argument is purely ridiculous. you very well know you have a handful of arguments of reality for you to explore. just stop with this pathetic tactics

 

[MK6M9]

A "solution" from a problem they created... lets import gas when we had our own refineries... lets push for EV's cause gas car bad... oh our gas tax...

that is a tool also. create a problem and then solve it for everyone

 

[Gawernator]

Yep apparently a cigar with flavored tobacco is dangerous for the teens

When was the last time you saw a teen smoke a cigar?

Just like the gun bans, the law didn't stop anyone. I see everyone with flavored vapes still

 

[MK6M9]

No valve disconnect!

Maybe you should take a safety training course and have a background check. Tires are deadly. the pressure in them can increase and exit with great force. they kill children every day

 

[dirty_monkey]

Speculation on how california will regulate tires. Tires already have manufacturing dates and manufacturing numbers. So when you show up to the border, like the t party, PAPERS!!! Where are your papers for these new tires! then they will confiscate your tires.

Anyways, its already a struggle to live in california. I been a mechanic for over a decade and worked at some low income area. Its already difficult for people to survive, let alone repair their vehicles. The cost of the approved tires are going to be expensive. is the CEC going to help people that can't financially afford tires? Is there going to be a roster of approved tires, and then a committee board that approves tires?

 

[MK6M9]

There's a guy in this thread who in response to the idea that low water usage appliances have been helpful says "but we still run out of water so what's the point". These people are real, and a lot more common than someone who isn't reactionary so in many cases for conservation, the only option is a mandate because Americans tend to want the wasteful thing vs the efficient thing.

yes, we are still running out of water. the point, the world is made of water humans literally cannot run out of water. make desalination a mandate. change the regulations so a water supply can open up. until then yes humans are running out of land water, california specifically. hence the endless drought we have been in, no ? this is the part that you can not grasp. but you want to promote more regulation and control? the notion of wasteful, believe it or not is literally subjective. just think about that

 

[dirty_monkey]

yes, we are still running out of water. the point, the world is made of water humans literally cannot run out of water. make desalination a mandate. change the regulations so a water supply can open up. until then yes humans are running out of land water, california specifically. hence the endless drought we have been in, no ? this is the part that you can not grasp. but you want to promote more regulation and control? the notion of wasteful, believe it or not is literally subjective. just think about that

 

[MK6M9]

She didn't make the policy, the policy was passed by the legislature. She sounds qualified though. None of you even know how government works it makes sense why you are afraid of it, the great unknown.

how is this a 'great unknown?' this is what they do . there are decades of history of them doing this. strange, are you in your 20s?

 

[MK6M9]

it's how our government works, in every state. So the constitution disagrees with you. over 100 years of SC case law:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases-by-topic/government-agencies/

did you seriously use, or try, to use the meaning of the constitution from california ? like whoa

 

[MK6M9]

it is what plants crave (shrugs)

super duper awesome movie

 

[magoshands]

Just like the gun bans, the law didn't stop anyone. I see everyone with flavored vapes still

But i can't cant get my drew estates javas

 

[MK6M9]

Fair enough but what if they are right and it does actually save Californians a billion dollars a year in fuel costs?

how??? california keeps taxing and increasing fuel costs. they just added another tax at the beginning of this year. they keep buying oil from iran and then ship it to china to be refined. they have shut down a couple of refineries due to regulations and other whatnots. they want to make EVs a law and ban all fuel vehicles. so again, how?

 

[MK6M9]

The free market is a myth, I'll refer you to the game Monopoly for an example of how competition doesn't actually exist and how power abhors a vacuum.

and here it is, your true intentions. you are in support of control. it is obvious, well to me anyways

 

[Gravel]

These people are real, and a lot more common than someone who isn't reactionary so in many cases for conservation, the only option is a mandate because Americans tend to want the wasteful thing vs the efficient thing.

Do you see the condescension and arrogance in this? The absolute nanny state mindset?

Europe is well ahead of the US in that mindset, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the EU implodes on itself in the next decade. We’re a couple decades behind them, and I truly want us to get off the path to all powerful overlord type governments. Because centralized power, while it might satisfy some of the government/regulator class (and their worshippers..) for a while, always finds a way to disaster. Central planners make mistakes, and millions of people pay the price.

Switching topic: Regulators are not legislators. Didn’t the USSC recently clarify that in a Chevron Deference decision?

 

[MK6M9]

You guys are choosing to live here though, it seems very stressful

I asked you this before. do you have any clue what it takes or cost to uproot? we can just simply remove the people that keep making these laws and such

 

[MK6M9]

The same thing happened in banking under Clinton which resulted in the 2008 crisis.

clinton created MBS and spurred the CDS ?

 

[Gravel]

Yup, regulators are not legislators, and don’t get to override legislation.

The problem in California is that the legislature seems to like cutting the un elected regulation class loose to do their dirty work.

See below, from AI:

Chevron deference was a legal rule that required federal courts to accept a government agency's reasonable interpretation of an ambiguous law passed by Congress. Established by the Supreme Court in 1984, the U.S. Supreme Court officially overturned the doctrine on June 28, 2024, in the case Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

The Old Two-Step Test

• • Step One: Courts checked if Congress spoke clearly on the exact issue. If the intent was clear, that was the final rule.
  • Step Two: If the law was unclear or silent, courts deferred to the agency's interpretation as long as it was reasonable or permissible. [1, 2, 3]

Why It Existed

• • Agency Expertise: Supporters argued that specialized government agencies understand complex technical and scientific topics better than generalist judges.
  • Policy Consistency: It gave executive branch agencies the flexibility to run programs and adapt rules over time. [1, 2]

Why It Was Overturned

• • Judicial Duty: Critics argued it violated the Administrative Procedure Act by stripping courts of their independent power to say what the law means. [1]
  • Separation of Powers: The Supreme Court ruled that judges—not unelected agency officials—must resolve legal ambiguities in federal statutes independently